Definition of Gas Time in the Cobalt

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Ron, I'm having trouble reconciling these two statements:

"If you have planned a switch to a secondary mix during ascent, that obviously changes the "real" gas time remaining. However, we err on the side of conservatism here, andalways base gas time remaining on surfacing with only the primary mix (the mix on the sensor/ hose), not just reaching the planned switch depth. We don't know if a planned switch will actually happen, so we assume it won't for the purposes of this calculation."

vs.

"In the case of multi-gas decompression diving, the gas time remaining number is not going to be too informative. The decompression schedule will be based on a planned switch to a deco mix at the specified depth. If that planned switch not confirmed, the Cobalt will immediately recalculate a decompression schedule based on the gas actually being used. This will obviously change the gas time remaining calculations, as the surfacing schedule will change."

Are you saying that the gas time remaining calculation assumes a single gas dive for NDL dives, but once you go into deco the gas time remaining calculation stops being conservative and starts assuming a deco schedule being completed involving multiple mixes? Since the Cobalt doesn't know anything about gas time for mixes other than the primary mix (I guess it could estimate from programmed pressures/volumes and historical RVM values), how does that work?

I would have thought it just assumed you'd have to complete your deco schedule on backgas alone and displayed gas time remaining accordingly. Which may or may not make it less than useful for multigas deco, depending on whether the diver is planning for a worst-case scenario (incur no more deco obligation than you have backgas to complete assuming the same model/conservatism and the longer stop times that would be indicated) or not.

Sorry I was confusing. The gas time remaining calculation always makes the same assumptions in both single gas and multi-gas dives:

  • breathing rate consistent with the current dive (this is heavily weighted to recent measurements, so if you suddenly start breathing hard, the gas time remaining will decrease),
  • 30 fpm ascent,
  • making all stops,
  • using only the primary mix to surface.

Anything that changes in any of those parameters will alter the actual gas time remaining. We feel this represents a useful reality check, particularly for newer divers who may tend to underestimate the gas required to slowly ascend from a deeper dive, or for divers who pick up deep or deco stops. Or for a warm water diver diving in our neighborhood, who doesn't recognize how much more air they will need in freezing cold water....:D But like any other calculated values in a dive computer, it isn't gospel, it's an estimate based on best data currently available. Your personal safety margin is adjusted by the reserve value you set- this is what you want to surface with.

In planned multi-gas diving, though, this number may not be as meaningful- it depends on the scenario. If you enter a planned gas switch, the Cobalt uses that switch to calculate your surfacing schedule, but gas time remaining is based on using the primary mix only.

In no-deco dives with a switch on ascent gas time remaining will be a conservative estimate. However, it still serves as a secondary reality check- if you don't go past zero and something goes south with the planned switch, you should still have enough gas in the primary supply to reach the surface with the planned reserve you have set. You could ignore the alert, but you would be depending on the gas switch happening. It is conceivable that some profiles- for instance if you were on the edge of deco and failed to make a planned switch at depth- could result in your entering deco on ascent- that would change the gas time remaining, though probably not by much. Such stops would likely be short and shallow. That's where entering in an appropriate reserve value for the planned dive is a good idea.

But in a multi-gas deco dive, the surfacing schedule is being calculated based on making the planned gas switch(s)- it may vary quite a lot from the schedule required if only the primary mix is used to surface. If you program in a switch to EAN 50 at 50 feet, that's what the deco calculation is based on. If the diver doesn't make a planned gas switch, the surfacing schedule will immediately recalculate based on the primary mix (or whatever mix is currently in use). A (presumably) longer surfacing schedule will increase the gas requirements.

Because of the increased number of variables in multi-gas decompression diving, once you enter a decompression schedule, the gas time remaining number is probably not very meaningful. Cobalt does always assume for gas time remaining calculations that you will make the entire deco schedule on backgas alone- but if you have a switch entered, it is not using the surfacing schedule the backgas would require.

In order to do what I think you suggest- assume an ascent profile based on the primary mix deco schedule and calculating gas time from that schedule- we would have to keep two deco schedules updating- with and without gas switches. For a variety of reasons this just isn't practical, at least in the current Cobalt. It is a calculation that a decompression diver should be making on their own, as part of their plan.

When we developed the Cobalt initially we did try to provide on screen gas usage estimates for alternate mixes, based on the current breathing rate and the depth. We dropped this for a variety of reasons- mainly that it might encourage divers to believe the Cobalt's estimates rather than doing what they should do, check the SPG. We also calculated gas time remaining to the planned switch depth- we changed this as well to be more conservative and not assume a switch will happen. The simulator on the Cobalt does a good job of predicting gas requirements on multi-gas dives, and we felt it best to leave the gas time remaining calculations simple and consistent. We also acknowledge the limitations of the Cobalt's single sensor by greying out the pressure/ gas time numbers whenever an alternate mix is enabled.

We have considered eliminating the gas time remaining number when gas switching is planned, or greying it out. But for many near or light deco situations it still has value, and we don't know ahead of time what the dive will look like. Divers doing multi-gas deco should be relying on a clear plan for their dive, and this is something the Cobalt's on board planner can help generate. The Cobalt is pretty clearly a recreational, not tech, computer, so I don't know how much use these functions actually see. I'd be curious what divers doing deco on the Cobalt would like to have for multi-gas situations. In many cases these are not questions with a clearly "right" answer, but they are ones every AI computer that allows multiple gasses has to deal with.

Ron
 
Cobalt does always assume for gas time remaining calculations that you will make the entire deco schedule on backgas alone- but if you have a switch entered, it is not using the surfacing schedule the backgas would require.

So if I understand this right, on a multi-gas deco dive Gas Time Remaining for backgas is based (in part) on the time to complete all scheduled stops, even though the length of that schedule is determined using all programmed mixes. Put another way, the GTR calculation assumes you're breathing the backgas all the way up, but that you'll ascend at a rate only allowed by breathing all mixes, not just backgas. Yeah, I'll agree that's not useful once you get into any significant degree of accellerated deco. The difference between ascent time from 30 minutes at 200' on air using air/50%/100% versus using just air would be, er, significant :wink:

I would say that for any forthcoming tech mode, whether it's a Cobalt firmware option or something found on a future wrist version, give the option to disable GTR for any dive with planned gas switching (or maybe just disable GTR period). When I was planning multigas deco dives on my Cobalt, what mattered to me was the consumption figures that were produced. I haven't planned anything on my Cobalt in some time (been using V-Planner and the Petrel's built in planner, which is unsurprisingly easier for long square profile dives than Cobalt but much worse for figuring out NDLs during a surface interval) but I recall the planner being pretty good for this purpose. OTOH, I don't find AI particularly useful outside of single tank diving without an SPG.
 
.... OTOH, I don't find AI particularly useful outside of single tank diving without an SPG.

I'd tend to agree- there just start being too many variables, and from a UI standpoint it's difficult to convey just what is meant given that there are more ways things could change- and more mixes increase the possibilities exponentially. A simple approach for single gas diving covers the large majority of Cobalt users. Pretty much by definition multi-gas divers are paying attention to what they are doing in a different way. Maybe with the exception of divers who are just spending a 15' stop on a rich O2 hang bottle- but for that the GTR is fairly irrelevant.

Inputing square or stepped profiles into the Cobalt's planner easily- without quite as many button presses- is something we have been wanting to implement, but hasn't made it into a version yet. A definite must if we are talking about tech planning.

I think in a wrist version, which would probably have more appeal to multi-gas divers, eliminating or backgrounding the GTR figure, at least in deco with gas switches planned, would be the way to go.

I appreciate all the thoughtful input and discussion on the Cobalt. It keeps us on track for future developments.

Ron
 
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