Dangerous Diving Habits

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I don’t whether there are similar threads for this as Scubaboard is maybe the forum with the fastest cycle I’ve been.

I want to know whether anyone of you has ever had, met, seen or experienced divers with dangerous habits?
And did you do something about that?

It’s not a post for flaming, just for experience sharing with everyone, and maybe some lessons can be learnt from this.

I’ve met a diver in the past, on one trip with him, he hardly came out without trouble. He was supposedly the more experience diver than some of us from the certification level and the number of dives he logged.
One of the problem, there were few times he shot up to surface because his tank was empty. Most of the dive we did was multilevel dives starting from 20-40 meter. By the time he shot up, the rest of the group still had about half a tank, so we didn’t think of possibility that someone might OOA, especially when he didn’t inform us and most of the time he also didn’t know it.
He was a Rescue Diver and I suppose it’s not something we needed to teach him, and the DM always reminded us to do the safety stop once we hit 50bar.

We were concerned of course when he shot up from 30meters, he was lucky he didn’t get any bent at all, but he told us he didn’t know his tank was empty and he isolated himself while we tried to talk to him. Maybe he was embarrassed so we tried to talk to him in private, but found out that he didn’t feel anything wrong with himself. Of course, after the first incident, the DM monitored by asking his air a lot of times, but it was indeed not easy to make contact with him, as he finned anywhere liked.

We guessed there were few factors that led him to consume all his air in very short time.
1. Maybe because of buoyancy control, while usually we enjoyed the dive by hovering, drifting, he finned everywhere, he never stopped, when he got too far in front, he would turn around and finned back. I did similar thing in my OW course because I was not buoyant enough to stay still.
So excessive finning maybe caused him fatigue and increased his air consumption.

2. He was over geared and over-sized-geared, it’s not a lie at all to say that he changes his equipment everytime there are something new, he purchases the best and the most high tech equipment, which might not be necessary for leisure diving, and many of his equipment were oversize, his Bcd was almost twice his body width, and he even attached two gigantic pouch, a lot of accessories etc.

3. He had equipment related stress. He had flooded wide angle mask because by the time he bought it, he tested it with his strap on, so of course he didn’t know it was too big. He had many many other equipment failures which had very huge possibility to send him into one of the statistic.

But worst of all, he didn’t want any feedback from us or had a slight thought that he might be wrong, but instead, he blamed all his misfortunes to the rest of his group, his buddy, his gear and even the dive crew. It was really hard for us to try to make him dive safer. On the boat, he would be all too busy with his equipment, he jumped out before he was sure which one was his buddy (we did group buddy system, but we had immediate buddy in pair), and he didn’t pay any attention to his buddy.
On surface interval, he isolated or bragged about himself when the dive went well for him (which is less than 50%).

We tried, for soft way to hard way, the result, nothing. After that trip, he ditched us and told others not to dive with us again. But his reputation grew faster than that.

I don’t mean to use this post to bad mouth somebody. But I kept on wondering how to deal with this type of diver, and everyone was talking about when he would become a statistic, although we are pissed off with him, it’s not a thing we want to hear.

Other dangerous habit I saw from divers who disturbed marine life for either photography or for fun.
Those who put small creatures on the hand for photograph after almost destroying the habitat, those who stepped on corals to achieve the balance to take picture, or even I saw DM who wrote his name on hard coral.
I didn’t say anything to them, which I think I should.
 
My buddy & I were tagging along with an AOW class on a night dive. At the end of the dive,1 of trainee whom i m closer to told me that his buddy fully inflated his BC and went up to the surface. He wanted to grab him but decided not to,(kudos to him).Depth was about 11m.But i wasnt sure about the whole situation.
That was quite shocking to me.An AOW trainee uses the inflator button to ascent...really appaling...
Darren
 
I've come to the conclusion that most of the time the guy who has most to say about how good he is, really isn't very good at all. A beginner would have more control than he did. I wonder if the dive op ever saw his cards?
As Matteo said, he should not have been allowed to dive after the first incident and I would have told someone about him. The last thing I need to see is someone on deck bent or blood frothing from his mouth because of his own stupidity. Sometimes we have to save people from themselves.
 
I have the same experience as Dennis. For example, when I go out on a trip, the only people that know I am a OWI are people that specifically ask. Other than that, I'm just a diver that follows the directions of the captain when in the boat, and the DM when in the water (ok, not 100% on the latter). However, every time I hear someone going on and on about how good of a diver they are, and how they have the latest equipment and whatever (lately its been the people dressed in black with 5000 clips, D-rings and strangely wound and lengthed hoses), my first thought is "here comes trouble," and that thought usually bears itself out one way or the other. You never learn too much about diving, and as my Dad was always fond of saying: you can't learn anything with your mouth open.

CN
 
I agree with you, CN. I tend to keep a low-profile when I am on assignment, and I too have noticed that the majority of times, the most-vocal divers on the boat turn out to be the most-****e in the water.

With my job, I have been to a lot of places around the world diving, and I have tested out most of the kit on the market as well, and if someone asks my opinion or advice on something, I will give it, but I am not going to walk up and down a boat bragging about who I am or what I've done, etc. I just want to go diving, get some good photographs and generally have a good time. Heh, I may be working, but I can still chill out and enjoy it!

Mark
 
I think this diver is a danger to himself and others. I also think that damaging the underwater enviroment is both stupid and irresponsible, this is ALL basic knowlege for ANY diver "respect the enviroment at ALL times" to carve your name into a coral reef is incredible insenseitve and foolhardy, and yes I would report anyone acting as irresponsible as that.

But that is just my view, others here may dissagree with me.
 
We have a member of our group who's a slightly different sorta danger. He's a new diver (which I am as well so I'm not bashing) and is very enthusiastic, but really is a little overenthusiastic. He pretty much fails to listen to 90% of what the istructor tells him. Basically he seems to want to get his dive count up so that he can brag about what a great diver he is, generally if you go up for any reason on a dive (for instruction or discussing how an exercise went, etc.) even for like a minute he tries to count this as a separate dive, usually at the end of the day when everyone else is logging one long dive or two dives, he'll have three or four, which most of the time people will refuse to sign off on. Other than refusing to dive with him alone I don't really know what to do. Our instructor knows its a problem and tries very hard (often making him complete more dives to get cards/pass OW, which he probably takes as a good thing because his count gets higher). And to be perfectly honest I don't know that I could be that patient with him, even if he were making me a fortune in course fees etc. (which really the extra time spent cuts into drastically) and despite the fact that he is a very nice guy. Oh he also likes to help or rescue people...especially when they don't need it. And also seems to think the more money he spends on equipment the better a diver it makes him (and any way he can work how much something cost into a conversation is heaven for him).

Again I don't want to bash him but it is very worrying, I would like to think that anyone can become a safe diver and am constantly listening for any advice or criticism to make myself better, however this guy gives me my doubts. I notice that although the number of dives is different, a lot of the tendencies seem to be the same, any thoughts on how to cut this guy off at the bud and keep him from becoming the diver you guys are talking about?
 
You are right, I see the pattern that the more a diver brags, the less thing he knows.

This guys came and taught me how to do a backroll (we used giant stride for most of our previous dives, for that trip it was around the tenth time we used back roll and mostly he did it with a lot of things to laugh about, upside down, backside up etc) and... it was the first time he did it right, so I think he figured out that he was the master of back roll and tried to teach me who I don't believe had failed to do it once.
Maybe he thought for those he failed, everybody failed also.

I agree that the captain and DM should have discontinue his diving, but they didn't, and we couldn't ask them to do so. After we failed time and again to tell him, we just trained our eyes to look for red spots, I guess.
 
Well this makes me think of when we were doing a very fragile wreck and I mean fragile because I once saw a couple of hundred pounds of rusted metal topple just because a DM touched it with his index finger to stabilise his position.
So during the pre-dive briefing the DM warned explicitly against penetrating the lateral compartments due to the state of the wreck even though they look very inviting as they are teeming with life.
Anyway we get paired off and descend.
Then I see one diver penetrating and swimming along the same compartments he'd just been warned against.
Since the wreck is riddled with holes we were able to watch his progress and obviously he was no newbie, his buoyancy & kicking style was perfect, no danglies etc. Even though he had to manoeuvre around a lot of obstacles in a long narrow corridor at no point did he touch anything or raise even the slightest silt.
But I still can't help feeling that his sense of overconfidence lead him to ignore the risks of the situation. Plus of course that he abandoned his buddy to do this penetration.
Later back on the boat I chatted to him about the risks he had run and in spite of being very experienced he really was oblivious to them. When I told him that I personally had seen large chunks of this wreck fall with the pressure of one finger he obviously didn't believe me. He seemed to think that just because the wreck had been there for 100 years it would still be around for another 100 years and that the chances of collapsing just on the day he was diving it were negligible. A total lack of consideration for the powers of corrosion.
 

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