DAN Fatality Workshop

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Ken Kurtis

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Though not about a specific fatality, I thought this topic would be appropriate for this forum and hopefully will prompt some thoughtful discussion.

I was in Raleigh-Durham last week for a DAN-sponsored workshop dealing with dive fatalties and what we as an industry and you as diver can do to lower the numbers. (Diving is an incredibly "safe" sport with only about 90 fatalities per year of US & Canadian divers, which is what DAN tracks, out of an estimated 1-3 million active divers, doing an estimated 10-30 million dives per year.) I thought I'd share some of the findings with you.

The L.A. area, where we actually have a very comprehensive infrastructure to deal with these tragedies, was well-represented with Karl Huggins from the Catalina Hyperbaric Chamber, Gordon Boivin & Jim Pearson from the U.S. Coast Guard, Dave Carver from the L.A. County Sheriffs, and myself representing the L.A. County Coroner (for whom I’m a forensic consultant). In addition, Duke University and DAN were well-represented, as were major training agencies (PADI, SSI, SDI/TDI, and BSAC - but surprisingly not NAUI), the U.S. Navy, other Coast Guard sectors, members of the scuba legal community, various other diving doctors, scuba investigators (Steve Barksy & Jeff Bozanic from the L.A. area), and other interested parties. Lots of brainpower and experience in the room.

Although the conference proceedings will be distilled and published down the road, there are two walk-always that I'd like to pass on to you now. Those deal with (1) Running out of air, and (2) Buddy separation.

Running out of air factored into roughly 25% of the dive fatalities. And it’s simply the stupidest thing a diver can do. There’s no logical reason for it. Absent a hose rupture (and there was no incident of that in any of the 900 fatalities in the database), running out of air is totally preventable. It’s something that’s literally in your hands as all you need to do is look at your pressure gauge and don't run your air supply down too low.

I always advise my divers to begin the ascent to your safety stop with a minimum of 500psi (more if you're deeper than 50 feet) and that you should surface at the end of your safety stop with no less than 300psi. I also teach my students to dive with the pressure gauge literally in their hands at all times. It encourages them to look at it more. There’s nothing wrong with checking your gauge often but you can certainly not check it often enough. My rule of thumb is that if you've consumed more than 500psi since the last time you looked, you're not looking often enough.

The other major area dealt with buddy separation. First of all, realize that there’s nothing that can happen to you alone that can't happen to you with a buddy. However, you response options are certainly different with or without a buddy.

That being said, I'm amazed at the number of fatalities I've looked at where everything was seemingly fine up until the moment of separation and then, after the separation, something happened to one of the buddies that resulted in death. And while we discuss buddy separation issues in class, we may not offer any real-world practice of it. On top of that, because we drill into your heads the need to stay with your buddy and the dangers of diving alone, we may set up a little voice in the back of your head that starts screaming “Danger!! Danger!!!” if you lose your buddy and rather than calmly responding to the situation and surfacing safely, some divers totally lose their cool (and their lives).

So we had some very good discussions about what we might do to emphasize this better and maybe even alter some training exercises (perhaps something as simple as having dive students do one lap around the pool all by themselves while the instructor observes from the surface) to better prepare divers to deal with this. Buddy separation happens, even to good buddy teams, but it certainly shouldn't be triggering a panic attack or costing divers their lives.

I thought it was a really productive three days and there were a lot of good ideas bandied back and forth. One thing you, as a diver, should know is that you've got a lot of the Big Brains in the dive industry caring about your well-being and really taking a good look at these issues and trying to find ways to help you deal better with the risks of diving. It’s a really safe sport (the fatality rate is on a par with jogging) but when things go wrong, because we're in a alien life-threatening environment, divers have to be able to make the right responses.
 
I also look forward to the full report. I hope that the training agencies were also present to listen to the information. These one day scuba refeal courses that they are now allowing are surly going to help change alot of these stastics.

I guess may the most profitable win!!!!
 
Running out of air factored into roughly 25% of the dive fatalities. And it’s simply the stupidest thing a diver can do. There’s no logical reason for it.

Succinctly put!
 
While running out of gas can certainly kill you, I would be surprised if too many deaths could be attributed to only running out of gas. Certainly, you can't say that buddy separation was ever a primary cause of death. I totally agree, however, that both of those things can turn other resolvable issues into fatal incidents.

How deep do you have to be before a CESA isn't going to work for someone trained to do one? How completely out of gas must you be before there isn't an extra breath or two available to oyu as you get shallow? It would seem that even if running out of gas is the primary issue, that solid training can get you out of that, even if you end up with a little DCS.
 
That being said, I'm amazed at the number of fatalities I've looked at where everything was seemingly fine up until the moment of separation and then, after the separation, something happened to one of the buddies that resulted in death. And while we discuss buddy separation issues in class, we may not offer any real-world practice of it. On top of that, because we drill into your heads the need to stay with your buddy and the dangers of diving alone, we may set up a little voice in the back of your head that starts screaming “Danger!! Danger!!!” if you lose your buddy and rather than calmly responding to the situation and surfacing safely, some divers totally lose their cool (and their lives).

So we had some very good discussions about what we might do to emphasize this better and maybe even alter some training exercises (perhaps something as simple as having dive students do one lap around the pool all by themselves while the instructor observes from the surface) to better prepare divers to deal with this. Buddy separation happens, even to good buddy teams, but it certainly shouldn't be triggering a panic attack or costing divers their lives.
Ken, this is a fantastic point. Students are taught to always dive with a buddy. They are cautioned about buddy separation. Buddy separation protocol is discussed, but rarely is a diver's mindset/attitude toward being alone fully discussed. I think novice divers have an irrational on-the-verge-of-panic moment when separated from a buddy...as if something bad/dangerous will certainly happen during the separation. Anything that instructors can do to help separated divers calmly look for the lost buddy and ascend safely is a step in the right direction. Scenario training and visualization techniques might be helpful. The pool exercise you describe could help, too.
 
While running out of gas can certainly kill you, I would be surprised if too many deaths could be attributed to only running out of gas. Certainly, you can't say that buddy separation was ever a primary cause of death. I totally agree, however, that both of those things can turn other resolvable issues into fatal incidents.

How deep do you have to be before a CESA isn't going to work for someone trained to do one? How completely out of gas must you be before there isn't an extra breath or two available to oyu as you get shallow? It would seem that even if running out of gas is the primary issue, that solid training can get you out of that, even if you end up with a little DCS.

100 ft is relatively easy...depending on where you are in your breath cycle when you decide to go. Much beyond that takes some skill and practice. But I don't think anyone does that any more.

Most fatalities are not single issue events, so while running out of air may be involved in 25%, there are most likely compounding issues.
 
...How deep do you have to be before a CESA isn't going to work for someone trained to do one?
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I don't know about you, but I was only trained to do a CESA from about 30 feet.

...It would seem that even if running out of gas is the primary issue, that solid training can get you out of that, even if you end up with a little DCS.
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Sorry, solid training includes gas management skills. If you have solid training, you would not be running out of gas in the first place outside of a catastrophic failure.
Solid basic training also emphasizes situational awareness and buddy awareness. To be even low on air let alone out of air AND without a buddy means some serious things went wrong already.
 
I always advise my divers to begin the ascent to your safety stop with a minimum of 500psi (more if you're deeper than 50 feet) and that you should surface at the end of your safety stop with no less than 300psi.

Ken, Thanks so much for this post.

I believe we were taught by our PADI instructors to end the dive at around 1,000 - 1,200 psi and be back on the shore/boat with 500 psi in your tank, and while this might be a little conservative, there have been times (got lost, got downcurrent, big surf, fouled anchor) when I was very glad I had that extra cushion - Not to mention the possible needs of an OOA buddy.

I think this "running out of air" issue is one of the main concerns of many instructors on Scubaboard, who feel that a more analytical approach to gas management ought to be part of the basic OW curriculum. The more I read and the more I dive, the more I agree with that position, and the preponderance of OOA dive fatalities would seem to support that view.
 

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