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Could you explain a little more about what you are asking?
Why are the newbies refusing to buy gear?
Is this an actual situation that you are facing?
Why are the newbies refusing to buy gear?
Is this an actual situation that you are facing?
dive without their tables (or a computer) or any signaling devices (whistle or safety sausage). Yes, I point this out as gently as I can, but it seems the more experienced that you become the more safety minded you get. I also hate to see newbies (or oldies) without their hoses/gauges snapped into place... I HATE them thar danglies.
ScubaFishee
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Are you talking about divers who rent equipment as opposed to buying it or divers who don't have the pieces of equipment with them at all that are necessary for that given diving environment ?
For example, no computer and no wetsuit isn't necessarily bad if diving very warm waters and using gauges and a timer...
For example, no computer and no wetsuit isn't necessarily bad if diving very warm waters and using gauges and a timer...
The biggest piece of equipment I see new divers in this area not having that they quickly discover they need is hoods and gloves.
As far a equipment goes they usually have it all, but as previously mentioned I have gently suggested that they might try to secure it a little better.
As far a equipment goes they usually have it all, but as previously mentioned I have gently suggested that they might try to secure it a little better.
animian2002
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I'm a :newbie: I don own much gears. so far I only have my mask, snorkel, SMB, Slate and nothing else. But I do rent my wetsuits, fins, BC & reg from the DC. Personally I feel nothing wrong with them.
Well, It takes time to get those gears. which is what I'm doing now. They don have cheap in my region. therefore the only way newbies like myself can do is to rent them on diving trip.
Well, It takes time to get those gears. which is what I'm doing now. They don have cheap in my region. therefore the only way newbies like myself can do is to rent them on diving trip.
What I mean is :
2 of my friends got certified within the last year and last 4 yrs, respectfully.
They only own a mask and snorkel. No fins. No booties, no gloves. Now, without fins, you can't even snorkel - really. Fins are not that much.
We all went diving 2 wks ago. Water temp was 73. Now, thats not too bad, but our plan was to dive like 45 mins max at 50 ft.
Thats MAX, INCLUDING safety stop.
They decided they didn't want to spend the extra money for wetsuits, etc. They rented no wetsuits, gloves, booties, nothing. They do not even own a weightbelt. Used socks in their open foot fins to save money.
Now, to rent booties is only like few bucks more. I should add we were diving in an area where Zebra Mussels ABOUND! Everywhere, so you really don't want to be walking barefoot.
Naturally, after 30 mins of diving, they were shivering.
I realize not everyone is wealthy - I am a FT student myself. But, at some point, it CAN be hazardous to yourself not having adequate gear.
The person who had not been diving in years refused to spend $80 to take a refrehser course. He should have theoritically - although it all 'came back' to him easily. It didn't have to go that way though..
My question relates more to those who want to dive, but just won't breakdown and purchase some ESSENTIALS that are considered personal gear that a diver really SHOULD have - like booties, weightbelt, etc.
Thats more of what I am driving at...
PS One of them ended up cutting their finger on a Zebra Mussel at the wreck site with no gloves on.
2 of my friends got certified within the last year and last 4 yrs, respectfully.
They only own a mask and snorkel. No fins. No booties, no gloves. Now, without fins, you can't even snorkel - really. Fins are not that much.
We all went diving 2 wks ago. Water temp was 73. Now, thats not too bad, but our plan was to dive like 45 mins max at 50 ft.
Thats MAX, INCLUDING safety stop.
They decided they didn't want to spend the extra money for wetsuits, etc. They rented no wetsuits, gloves, booties, nothing. They do not even own a weightbelt. Used socks in their open foot fins to save money.
Now, to rent booties is only like few bucks more. I should add we were diving in an area where Zebra Mussels ABOUND! Everywhere, so you really don't want to be walking barefoot.
Naturally, after 30 mins of diving, they were shivering.
I realize not everyone is wealthy - I am a FT student myself. But, at some point, it CAN be hazardous to yourself not having adequate gear.
The person who had not been diving in years refused to spend $80 to take a refrehser course. He should have theoritically - although it all 'came back' to him easily. It didn't have to go that way though..
My question relates more to those who want to dive, but just won't breakdown and purchase some ESSENTIALS that are considered personal gear that a diver really SHOULD have - like booties, weightbelt, etc.
Thats more of what I am driving at...
PS One of them ended up cutting their finger on a Zebra Mussel at the wreck site with no gloves on.
ScubaFishee
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No way.
I would not dive with anyone who showed that much lack of responsibility, lack of maturity, and disregard for their safety -- and mine!
That's a disaster waiting to happen.
Safety first and foremost. I'm loving this whole scuba experience and being under the water. But I like living too (and being alive is a requirement for scuba, as far as I know...) With scuba, there are certain mistakes for which there is no "do over". I don't want to die out there. And I don't want to witness, or be party to, any friend of mine dying out there either. Hell, I don't even want to think about the lifelong "if only" thoughts one would struggle with after that...
Honestly, if they were my friends, with that mindset and being that tight up for money, I'd tell them to skip the scuba and I'd treat them to pizza and a movie instead.
Dive safe and *live* to dive another day...
I would not dive with anyone who showed that much lack of responsibility, lack of maturity, and disregard for their safety -- and mine!
That's a disaster waiting to happen.
Safety first and foremost. I'm loving this whole scuba experience and being under the water. But I like living too (and being alive is a requirement for scuba, as far as I know...) With scuba, there are certain mistakes for which there is no "do over". I don't want to die out there. And I don't want to witness, or be party to, any friend of mine dying out there either. Hell, I don't even want to think about the lifelong "if only" thoughts one would struggle with after that...
Honestly, if they were my friends, with that mindset and being that tight up for money, I'd tell them to skip the scuba and I'd treat them to pizza and a movie instead.
Dive safe and *live* to dive another day...
... I wondered if that might not be the case....
Scuba446 (I am sorry I can't remember your first name) I personally would not dive with these guys.
Scuba is expensive but with bargain shopping you can outfit yourself safely for a modest expenditure... these guys are demonstrating that they don't take scuba seriously enough to even make the effort to properly equip themselves.
In my little world I have folks that I will not go tech diving with not only because they are unwilling to spend the big bucks for proper tech diving equipment but because they thereby demonstrate a lack of dedication that is necessary to make it safe. I would dive with the same guys on a recreational dive.
In your case these guys don't even look like good candidates for snorkling buddies!
Scuba446 (I am sorry I can't remember your first name) I personally would not dive with these guys.
Scuba is expensive but with bargain shopping you can outfit yourself safely for a modest expenditure... these guys are demonstrating that they don't take scuba seriously enough to even make the effort to properly equip themselves.
In my little world I have folks that I will not go tech diving with not only because they are unwilling to spend the big bucks for proper tech diving equipment but because they thereby demonstrate a lack of dedication that is necessary to make it safe. I would dive with the same guys on a recreational dive.
In your case these guys don't even look like good candidates for snorkling buddies!
ScubaFishee
Guest
Scuba446, in your description, you expressed some pre-dive concerns that you had about the situation.
I was wondering, in light of those concerns, what was your deciding factors for continuing through with the dive?
If the situation repeated itself, would you do the dive again?
I was wondering, in light of those concerns, what was your deciding factors for continuing through with the dive?
If the situation repeated itself, would you do the dive again?
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