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As I mentioned in the other thread, I have the same problem. It seems to be more affected by reg orientation than relative position of lungs.

I can't quite figure out exactly why though... reefrat's explanation of trapped air doesn't seem to make much sense. Why would air be trapped on the water side of the diaphragm? Pug seems to know why, but I don't think it'll be easy to coax that info out of him..

;)
 
Just a guess here, but it could be due to the fact that air always wants to go UP. When your in a normal dive position, all you have to do is suck the air horizontally through the chamber and into the mouthpiece. When you are inverted (2nd stage facing upwards) you are sucking the air 180 degrees from the direction it tends to flow naturally. In other words....the air wants to go straight up, but your trying to suck it straight down. Its a very small pressure differential, but enough to notice. Like Uncle Pug said, its enough to stop a free flowing regulator when you invert it.
 
Along with pressure differences, don't forget to allow for the internal construction of the regulator itself. Everything in the breating path is based on balance-of-forces. While we usually think of the forces as water-pressure and gas-supply-pressure, there's also a gravity, and probably a few springs in there as well (depending on the exact details of the reg's internal construction).

If you assume a basic piston-in-a-sleeve type valve arrangement, it's entirely possible that when the reg is in your mouth and you're looking down gravity tends to open the valve (this is also the same orientation for the reg as when it free-flows mouthpiece-up). When you're looking forwards, the piston rides against the edge of the sleeve, so the weight of the piston doesn't affect breathing-work (ignoring piston-sleeve friction). However, when you're face-up, the weight of the piston tends to close the valve.

Even for a 1-gram piston (about 1/30th of an ounce) the difference between face-up and face-down is going to work out to about the same amount of suction (i.e. breathing effort) as it takes to drink through an 8cm (3.5") straw.

Of course, I don't have schematics for a reg handy, so this is all just theory.

As for the "Air wants to go up" statement a few posts ago, Ummm, no, it doesn't... Air wants to go down, as does everything else in earth's gravitational field. It's just that the water wants to go down more. But when the reg's in your mouth, the gas in the reg is only compared to the gas in your mouth/lungs in terms of bouyancy, and there shouldn't be any signficant difference.

Jamie
 
There's lots of complicated answers, huh? Bottom line is, that's just the way it works.

Tom
 
There is nothing wrong with the reg. This has been discussed/ argued about add-nausea. Here is a copy of a previous post on D2D:

It is a function of the second stage. It's quite simple really, and has to do mainly with the size of the diaphragm, and the size of the air chamber, of the second stage. What happens when you look up is that the air in the second stage tries to go up and pushes upward against the diaphragm. Now you have a force pushing up against the diaphragm, which makes it harder for you to pull it back down with your inhalation. The larger the diaphragm the harder it will be to pull it down with your breath, also the more air inside the reg pushing up against the diaphragm will compound the problem. This is why smaller regs like the Micra are not affected as much when you look up. The Micra not only has a very small diaphragm, it also has a small air chamber. This is also why a reg shouldn't breath different if you are "upside down" as the diaphragm is not pointed up. All regs will get harder to breath if you look straight up, some are just more noticeable that others.
Dive Safe,
Rooster

For more views/arguments see:

http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=283171&t=283147

and

http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=315856&t=315856
 
And I guess I never noticed it before because I almost always use a Micra... Go figure!!! I love my Micra!!! Just glad it's not short for "Micra-soft"...

"your reg has performed an illegal operation and will now stop breathing..."

"Your reg has free flowed, would you like to send an error report?"

"DNS error, cannot open AIR.com!"

"There is a general fault reading your hard first stage... please ascend!"

"Bad paramater found... 1) Retry, 2) Abort Dive, 3) Die"

"Your program has a missing or corrupt diver; please close all dives and try again..."

and lets not even talk about the "Blue Scream of Death"!!!
 
Originally posted by NetDoc
And I guess I never noticed it before because I almost always use a Micra... Go figure!!! I love my Micra!!! Just glad it's not short for "Micra-soft"...

"your reg has performed an illegal operation and will now stop breathing..."

"Your reg has free flowed, would you like to send an error report?"

"DNS error, cannot open AIR.com!"

"There is a ganeral fault reading your hard first stage... please ascend!"

"Bad paramater found... 1) Retry, 2) Abort Dive, 3) Die"

"Your program has a missing or corrupt diver; please close all dives and try again..."

and lets not even talk about the "Blue Scream of Death"!!!

LOL

How about:

Can not find air at specified location!
 
Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "Hang time"... ;)
 

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