Creation vs. Evolution

[Soggy]

One issue with evolution theory that has always puzzled me is, if we evolved from apes, and there are still apes present, then there should still be some intermediate ape/human present.

No, that question has been answered a dozen times. First, we did not evolve from apes, in the modern sense. Modern apes and humans share a common ancestor. It's not like we evolved from chimps. Chimps and humans both evolved from an ape-like animal that existed in the past.

Please stop with the fonts. It makes quoting your posts incredibly difficult.

 

[Hank49]

That being said, have you noticed that black people have very little facial and body hair .

Not true my friend. Not that it's relevent to the discussion.

 

[Soggy]

Not true my friend. Not that it's relevent to the discussion.

It's not? Don't see very many black people with heavy body hair or thick beards, like you would with an Italian guy.

And it is relevant to the conversation. Someone proposed that hair would be an evolutionary trait and it is. I was just giving an example.

 

[aquanuts...]

Translation: if something is too complex to understand and doesn't come neatly packaged with a bow on it, accept a simple, easy to swallow, explanation written for simple people thousands of years ago as the truth.

The point is it takes a leap of faith from either side you choose. Science is incomplete; science has to fill in the gaps with guesses (faith) to make some things work. This is exactly what believers do. IMHO, God made everything and also allowed things to adapt, just to keep the nonbelievers busy.

Now where did I put that smoke...?

 

[Midnight Star]

Maybe, maybe not. The adaptation is the brain, which allowed us to learn how to make clothing and shelter, so the hair is no longer a trait that would be deterministic regarding survival.

That being said, have you noticed that black people have very little facial and body hair and Inuit have heavy eyebrows, and a thick black hair? They are evolutionary traits.

I've never really looked at those in particular, but it's true that some races do have specific traits that are inherent to them. On the note of survival though...

There would have to more to it than survival overall; I only evolved to survive. Maybe in some instances, I could see that possibility ... but in the tropics for example, and other areas (Africa) where it never really gets cold (I know there are some instances of cold whether, but would a few cold spells every so many years be enough to invoke a change that has to be dealt with the majority of the time in heat, and definately not like the Artics), why do animals still have fur? Protection against the sun? (animals who only come out at night still have fur) Coloration in mating? (blind animals still mate by pheromones).

I can see how evolution can conclude alot of things ... but I don't believe it can fully explain everything.

Gotta run Sog ... be back in a bit.

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Mike.

 

[aquanuts...]

No, that question has been answered a dozen times. First, we did not evolve from apes, in the modern sense. Modern apes and humans share a common ancestor. It's not like we evolved from chimps. Chimps and humans both evolved from an ape-like animal that existed in the past.

Please stop with the fonts. It makes quoting your posts incredibly difficult.

Sorry about the fonts, the spell check doesn't work. I type in word then paste. Whats the normal font?

 

[Green_Manelishi]

Sorry, GM...Pangaea? Maybe you should learn some geology (I think that was 10th grade) before you start making stuff up.

Pangaea? Really?

Really?

200 million years ago...you realize that, right?

For real?!

And...fossils on mountains? Really?

You know how mountains are formed, right?

I mean, the whole plate tectonics thing? I think I learned about that in 4th grade in Mr. Allen's class, not long before I wrote my paper about river otters that I mentioned before.

You know that the continents move around and push into each other at the edges and that is what causes some mountains, right?

And others are created from volcanic activity beneath the sea....you know, like Hawaii.

But, you think it was 'the flood' that created these instantaneous fossilization that could never possibly occur.

Really? Seriously? You're not just playing a prank on us?

This thread has taught me a lot...I honestly did not think that there were sane people in this world that still believed in fairy tales. I thought everyone just accepted that the bible was allegorical.

I thought you had no more time for me.

The world is full of people, even legitimate scientists, that accept the Bible as literal in many places including the account of creation and the flood.

I am glad to know you wrote a really nice report about otters. It's so sad that you believe many of us to be intellectual idiots with no grasp of science or logic. It might help you to know that about the time you were writing about otters I was converting PDP11/RSTS based code to JCL and COBOL. So, apparently I am not a complete idiot.

Super continents? Affirmative.
Fossils on mountains? Affirmative.
Geology? Affirmative. I am aware of how mountains are believed to be formed as well as volcanic activity.

Nothing we see disproves Biblical accounts. You simply believe it all "just happened". I believe it was and is part of a loving God's plan. Have another drink of kool-aid

 

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Nothing we see disproves Biblical accounts. You simply believe it all "just happened". I believe it was and is part of a loving God's plan. Have another drink of kool-aid

So these are also just part of a loving God's plan?

10 Big Disasters
Geophysicist David Crossley of St. Louis University made what he calls a subjective list of 10 of the worst natural disasters:

1992 - Hurricane Andrew, killed 26, but property damage was $25 billion -- most expensive natural disaster in U.S. history.

1985 - Nevado del Ruiz (Columbia) volcano killed 25,000 people, most caught in a massive mudflow.

1976 - Tangshan earthquake in China, a magnitude 8 event, killed somewhere between 255,000 and 655,000.

1815 - Tambora, Indonesia volcano of 1815. 80,000 people died of subsequent famine.

1811-12 - Two New Madrid earthquakes in Missouri are the largest ever to hit the contiguous U.S. (one was magnitude 7.9). Damage relatively light due to sparse population.

1737 - Calcutta, India event killed 300,000. Once thought to have been an earthquake, scientists now lean toward typhoon.

1556 - Shaanzi, China earthquake killed 830,000. Nobody knows what the seismic magnitude was.

1500 B.C., or so - The Mediterranean Stroggli island blew up. A tsunami virtually wiped out Minoan civilization. Area now called Santorini; Plato called it the site where Atlantis disappeared.

3000 B.C. - Major global paleoclimate event -- not much is known -- appears to have affected sea level, vegetation and surface chemistry. Speculated by some to be the Biblical Flood.

65 million years ago - A space rock hit Earth (so most scientists believe) and wiped out the dinosaurs and countless other species.

More detail from Crossley

LiveScience, SOURCE; David Crossley


And a couple other natural disaster casualty stats:

2004 Indian Ocean tidal wave - 186.983 killed

2005 Hurricane Katrina - 1.833 killed

2003 Total - 83.000 killed


But I guess all this is just where "He works in strange ways" comes in? Feel the love!

 

[Thalassamania]

It's so sad that you believe many of us to be intellectual idiots with no grasp of science or logic. It might help you to know that about the time you were writing about otters I was converting PDP11/RSTS based code to JCL and COBOL. So, apparently I am not a complete idiot.

No one said that your idiocy was complete, simply biological.<G> You do not seem to be able, for what ever reason and in spite of evidently exercising at least some modicum of logic in other areas of endeavor, to be able to deal with basic biological concepts.

These concepts are not that difficult, my 10 year old (I'll grant he's fairly bright) understands them. He remarked to me, about a half hour ago, that he can not understand why people who go to a doctor to find out why their sick and a dentist to find out what's wrong with their teeth and an architect to design their house think that they're more qualified to discuss global warming and evolution than people who've made those subjects their life's work.

Nothing we see disproves Biblical accounts. You simply believe it all "just happened". I believe it was and is part of a loving God's plan. Have another drink of kool-aid

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Could that be because your mind is made up before you see the data? And let's not forget that the kool-aid was served up by Jim Jones in the name of God in the first place.

 

[Midnight Star]

These concepts are not that difficult, my 10 year old (I'll grant he's fairly bright) understands them. He remarked to me, about a half hour ago, that he can not understand why people who go to a doctor to find out why their sick and a dentist to find out what's wrong with their teeth and an architect to design their house think that they're more qualified to discuss global warming and evolution than people who've made those subjects their life's work.

I couldn't speak for your son, but I can for mine. If mine wouldv'e said that, I wouldv'e given the following reply:

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It's true that some have studied a particular field more than another, but studiousness doesn't equate to infallibility (he's pretty good at picking up the meaning of a word), beyond that would be conceit and condenscention. Often times, some of the most "revolutionary" leaps, are made by the simplest of people, and from fields not necessarily their own, because they aren't "narrowed" down by prejudice. Anyone at anytime has the right to discuss anything they wish, since we can only govern our own mouths (well some of the time), and since our mouth isn't on their face, how can we govern that? If we feel threatened by them simply asking, we've got the problem, not them. I think we've come far enough on the earth for that at least. Just to think their too simple, is not to think at all ... and we're definately not to the point of thinking others are below us, are we?

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:at night, we talk about Einstein and other cool things. He's very intelligent for his age.

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Mike.