Creation vs. Evolution

[onfloat]

I don't understand why evolution and creation have to be mutually exclusive. Why is it that they can't be said to work together? We all know life forms pro-create, and genitics play a key in that, but the fact that life happens in and of it's self is a miracle.

 

[adza]

evolution is not the issue really. They use evolution to represent science and logic competing with Blind Faith based on fundamental religous beliefs, which they are invested in so that society doesn't become a voo-doo culture.
That is the rub. Science, reason VS Chaos and religous persecution as zealots try and advance the agenda of a given religion.

Here we go again. Someone blending evolution as being science - while anything else that disagree's isn't.

What makes you believe that fumdamental religious beliefs are based on blind faith? Your particular view point that Evolution is already correct?

This my point exactily of evolutionists choosing that they want to believe first - and then finding (or making up) evidence and statements to support their faith, and
undermine others.

However, you still haven't answered my question? Why the passion? What does it matter if a voo-doo culture exists? I mean, if we all evolved - what makes something right or wrong? How can you say that it is wrong for me to murder someone? Who writes the rules if their is no "higher being"?

 

[Soggy]

It all depends on how you view God. If you view God from a Jewish or Christian point of view - if evolution was true - it makes God out to be a liar, and if God is a liar - then you can't trust anything he says - which makes a relationship with Him pointless.

Cheers

I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually try to provide support for the bible...even though I do not believe it.

IIRC, no where does it state in the bible that the world was created in 6 days. It says that "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Later, it goes on to say what happened in each day, but 'creation' occurred "in the beginning." Other translations of the bible make the word "day" into "era".

 

[SeanQ]

However, you still haven't answered my question? Why the passion? What does it matter if a voo-doo culture exists? I mean, if we all evolved - what makes something right or wrong? How can you say that it is wrong for me to murder someone? Who writes the rules if their is no "higher being"?

You're confusing moral "right and wrong" with factual "correct and incorrect".

 

[onfloat]

My understanding is that God isn't 4-8 thousand years old, but the Earth / Universe may be. (I believe God exists out side of the space/time dimension - but that's another discussion).

yes it is. I have heard that each one of God's days may have been thousands of years in and of itself.

How do you know about rocks and skeletons being millions of years old? Are you sure that the dating method of this are accurate, or are these particular dating methods chosen above others because they support a particular viewpoint that the original scientist has in the first place?

Cheers

Adza

I don't, but how do you know that they are wrong? What gives you the idea that it less than 10 thousand years. Because of some documentation that is a result of man? That goes both ways, doesn't it? How do you expain all of the great creatures prior to that, i.e dinosuars?

 

[Soggy]

For the record, I think that anyone who actually believes that the Earth is 6000 years old, per Ussher's calculations, is dillusional. It is beyond rationality and annoys me that people are limiting their children's intellectual development by encouraging them to believe such a thing.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't dive with you, though.

I wonder what a buddhist or Hindu would have to say about this discussion?

 

[Soggy]

However, you still haven't answered my question? Why the passion? What does it matter if a voo-doo culture exists? I mean, if we all evolved - what makes something right or wrong? How can you say that it is wrong for me to murder someone? Who writes the rules if their is no "higher being"?

There is a whole study of right and wrong...It is called Ethics and they are able to use reason, not fear of eternal damnation, to determine what is right and wrong.

 

[Cacia]

What does it matter if a voo-doo culture exists?

uh...because I don't want a bunch of robed men slapping me with a stick if my ankles are hanging out, for one thing.

Fundamentalists exist in science, theology, everywhere. They are convinced they have all the answers. I thought Soggy was a science fundamentalists but if he is reading the Dali Lama's writings then he is open. If he still believes certain things, I am more likely to listen because I know he has put it through an assortment of filters.

In fact, other humans are treated like rear view mirrors, to me. I appreciate them if their views don't mirror mine because then I can fast forward my own advancement on this little path I am on.

People like Soggy might illuminate something in my blind spot. The goal is to keep working on your blind spot, whether it is science or spirit.

 

[JeffG]

I mean, if we all evolved - what makes something right or wrong? How can you say that it is wrong for me to murder someone? Who writes the rules if their is no "higher being"?

Using the word murder shows a bias of moral judgement. You should of used the word kill. and sometimes it can be "right" to kill someone.

 

[SeanQ]

I don't understand why evolution and creation have to be mutually exclusive. Why is it that they can't be said to work together? We all know life forms pro-create, and genitics play a key in that, but the fact that life happens in and of it's self is a miracle.

I don't have an issue with that. I take exception to people who don't have a clue about the methods, principles and reasoning of science trying to claim a scientific basis to their beliefs. To turn around and say true scientists distort the facts into what they want to believe is an insulting display of hypocrisy.