Creation vs. Evolution

[agilis]

Empty tomb, you say? Are you sure they were looking in the correct Memorial Park? Was this verified by the news media? Court TV's Forensic Case Files? Did cemetery management refund the Eternal Care charges?
Wow. Jesus Christ. The first Zombie.

 

[sandjeep]

That's just nonsense. What about the empty tomb of pharaoh Khufu (Cheops)? Does his empty tomb make him a god as well? Pharaohs were considered to be gods or descendants of gods in ancient Egypt. Does this sole "evidence" confirms it to be true?

Back then it was pretty much an everyday occurrence to proclaim yourself the son of god. Jesus was no exception and certainly not the only one claiming this. And now, a couple of thousands of years from then, we should start believing those self-proclamations? Funny.

Funny, I've actually been to Egypt and got yelled at by the antiquities police for climbing too far up a pyramid at Giza.

Was the tomb of Khufu guarded by Roman Soldiers?

 

[mislav]

Well, I too have been in the great pyramid of Giza. I've also been in other pyramids in Egypt and the Valley of the Kings. I don't see what this has to do with anything.

The tomb of Khufu wasn't guarded by the Roman soldiers, but it was guarded by the Egyptian soldiers. In fact, it was guarded much better than the tomb of Jesus could ever have been. There's no pyramid with hidden hallways and entrances and sarcophagus at the burial site of Jesus, is there?

Still, there's no pharaoh Khufu. But there's his tomb. And to this day we can't say for sure where the tomb of Jesus was. Who knows, we might one day find his tomb and even Jesus in it? You can't rule out this possibility.

Anyway, simply put - what you offer as scientific proof is nothing but a false witness account on what might have happened long before they decided to report it. I'd take a single transitional fossil anyday over what you offer as a factual event while in fact it is nothing but rumour.

 

[Thalassamania]

… there had been a FEW mistakes in identifying fossil frauds and hoaxes. What constitutes a FEW?.

Well ... less than the number of clerics that have been exposed as thieves, adulterers and pederasts.

In 1982, Eduard Opitsch, owner of the Maxberg Archaeopteryx,
removed it from display and took it to his home. Until his death in 1991, he refused
scientists access to the specimen. Opitsch even ignored a request to borrow the specimenbriefly for the 1984 International Archaeopteryx Conference. It has never been recovered.

Goes to credibility. Why would someone do this, in light of the fact, that Archaeopteryx is the darling of evolutionary thought concerning the dino to bird link? Interesting.

Goes to who’s creditability about what? You think that this was a plot to keep a rather poor specimen out of view because it threatened the foundations of modern biological thought?

The zombie post goes to credibility also, which is why I asked the rhetorical question "What am I to believe?" Although done in jest, it jeopardizes credibility given the track record over the last 100 years.

Now that goes to your creditability, that was a piece of humor that was written so broadly that even my 10 year old got a chuckle out of it and saw it for what it was.

And, BTW: If the tomb was empty, where's the body? Jesus was supposed to have gone to heaven in the flesh, so if there is a heven and/or a Jesus, it is not unresonable for us doubters to ask for the co-ordinates in space.

 

[sandjeep]

Well, I too have been in the great pyramid of Giza. I've also been in other pyramids in Egypt and the Valley of the Kings. I don't see what this has to do with anything.

In a nutshell. Without getting into allot of theology, Jesus said pretty clearly that He is God. Jesus refers back to the writings of the old Testament many times. God can not lie period, therefore, the old Testament is true.

The creation account is in the Old Testament, hence ToE is false.

The tomb of Khufu wasn't guarded by the Roman soldiers, but it was guarded by the Egyptian soldiers. In fact, it was guarded much better than the tomb of Jesus could ever have been. There's no pyramid with hidden hallways and entrances and sarcophagus at the burial site of Jesus, is there?

I'm not sure what your suggesting here, possibly a variation of the swoon theory?

Still, there's no pharaoh Khufu. But there's his tomb. And to this day we can't say for sure where the tomb of Jesus was. Who knows, we might one day find his tomb and even Jesus in it? You can't rule out this possibility.

Sure I can.

Anyway, simply put - what you offer as scientific proof is nothing but a false witness account on what might have happened long before they decided to report it. I'd take a single transitional fossil anyday over what you offer as a factual event while in fact it is nothing but rumour.

We can go outside the Bible if you like and look at what secular sources say.

 

[Thalassamania]

In a nutshell. Without getting into allot of theology, Jesus said pretty clearly that He is God. Jesus refers back to the writings of the old Testament many times. God can not lie period, therefore, the old Testament is true.

The creation account is in the Old Testament, hence ToE is false.

This is one of the best examples of circular reasoning that I've ever seen.

I fear that only purpose discourse with you serves is to demonstrate to anyone still on the fence just how devoid of logic and reason your position is. That's really too bad.

 

[sandjeep]

And, BTW: If the tomb was empty, where's the body? Jesus was supposed to have gone to heaven in the flesh, so if there is a heven and/or a Jesus, it is not unresonable for us doubters to ask for the co-ordinates in space.

I don't have a clue where Heaven is, but I know how to get there.

This is one of the best examples of circular reasoning that I've ever seen.

The best?, then you've never read the Koran before.

I fear that only purpose discourse with you serves is to demonstrate to anyone still on the fence just how devoid of logic and reason your position is. That's really too bad.

You mean Christians? Because thats what Christianity is. Jesus is God and He rose from death on the third day. The tomb was empty. I'm sorry this troubles you, but it is what Christians know. I would like to explore this with you and others who may be reading.

 

[mislav]

In a nutshell. Without getting into allot of theology, Jesus said pretty clearly that He is God. Jesus refers back to the writings of the old Testament many times. God can not lie period, therefore, the old Testament is true.

The creation account is in the Old Testament, hence ToE is false.

By your definition anyone can claim to be a god and you'd believe it. This is the finest example of faulty logic if I ever saw one.

And actually, fossils can not lie period, therefore, ToE is true.

I'm not sure what your suggesting here, possibly a variation of the swoon theory?

I'm actually answering your question, remember?

Sure I can.

No you can't. At least not logically.

We can go outside the Bible if you like and look at what secular sources say.

We don't need to. Not with your reasoning. Sorry, but you really needn't bother.

 

[Kim]

Who knows, we might one day find his tomb and even Jesus in it? You can't rule out this possibility.

Someone made a really good movie with this theme but I can't remember the title. It had it all.....archealogical dig discovers tomb and bones......Vatican sends special priest to 'disprove' it all......Palestinian terrorists steal the bones in an attempt to bring down Christendom.... I really enjoyed it!

Let's face it - while the film was fictional, one has to wonder what would happen in reality if someone actually discovered the body and disproved it all! :d

Anyone see it and remember what it was called? I believe it was a joint Israeli/American production.

 

[redacted]

Let's face it - while the film was fictional, one has to wonder what would happen in reality if someone actually discovered the body and disproved it all! :d

I doubt if that would disprove much at all. Any more than the existance of millions of years of fossil records disproves creation. Heck, I'm not sure I could disprove Santa Claus to someone who wants to believe.