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sandjeep:
There are always problems when fallible humans are involved, need I point out all the clerics that have been found with their hand in the collection plate, down the dress of a hooker, or in the pants of a little boy, or all three, or two of the three?
sandjeep:
Did you happen to notice the date of this article in your rush to point out the failings of science? It happens to have gone up on the AIA website on: April Fool's Day 2006. April Fool, April Fool, he gotcha good!
sandjeep:
Of the 10 known examples of Archaeopteryx, one is missing, why is that?
Because someone lifted the Maxberg Specimen and took it home or sold it to a private collector, why else? And so what? It was fully described back in 1959. No big mystery here.
 
H2Andy said
as to the other two, they were hoaxes uncovered by SCIENTISTS. hoaxes will inevitably be discovered because they don't fit in with the context of the rest of what we know...

you keep saying "some people play hoaxes using science"

and i keep saying "and then science unoveres the hoaxes and moves on"

this is like the FIFTH time you've made this argument.

Yes, and I will continue to do so, and I might add that you keep saying SCIENTISTS discovered the hoaxes/mistakes which is true in itself, but in all actuality, SCIENTISTS are the ones who are perpetrating the fraud either by deception or gullibility.

You may not remember what you said a few hundred posts ago, but you stated in reply to someone, that there had been a FEW mistakes in identifying fossil frauds and hoaxes. What constitutes a FEW?

But, lets be specific here. I'm not targeting science, I'm targeting ToE, Paleoanthropology, and the like.

(and it would be akin to me using people like Jim Jones and David Koresh to discredit religion. there are idiots in all fields, but the true believers disavow them)

Please do, but understand that to use such people to discredit religion as a whole would be the same as myself using Dubois to discredit science as a whole. I have not done that on this thread.

Just to note, Bringing up David Koresh will lead into an ugly debate about the US Constitution and the then sitting administration, so best to drop it since it probably violates SB's TOS.

ah... dogs are a subspecies of wolves, just like evolution said would happen if you start breeding a subset of a species for specialized results. that's evolution at work.

If WHO does the breeding?....No, that’s intelligent Design at work.


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Of the 10 known examples of Archaeopteryx, one is missing, why is that?

ok, i must admit i don't know. why is that?
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In 1982, Eduard Opitsch, owner of the Maxberg Archaeopteryx,
removed it from display and took it to his home. Until his death in 1991, he refused
scientists access to the specimen. Opitsch even ignored a request to borrow the specimen
briefly for the 1984 International Archaeopteryx Conference. It has never been recovered.

Goes to credibility. Why would someone do this, in light of the fact, that Archaeopteryx is the darling of evolutionary thought concerning the dino to bird link? Interesting.

The zombie post goes to credibility also, which is why I asked the rhetorical question "What am I to believe?" Although done in jest, it jeopardizes credibility given the track record over the last 100 years.
 
H2Andy said in an older post,
you guys have yet to show A SHRED of proof that God exists and created the world, but are quite happy believing that WITH A LOT LESS PROFF that exists to show evolution is real and it works....

bugger that

I, and others have stated the proof, One must ask the questions that will lead to truth.

Who is Jesus Christ and what did He say?
 
sandjeep:
In 1982, Eduard Opitsch, owner of the Maxberg Archaeopteryx, removed it from display and took it to his home. Until his death in 1991, he refused scientists access to the specimen. Opitsch even ignored a request to borrow the specimen briefly for the 1984 International Archaeopteryx Conference. It has never been recovered.

Goes to credibility. Why would someone do this, in light of the fact, that Archaeopteryx is the darling of evolutionary thought concerning the dino to bird link? Interesting.

are you really serious?

senile old guy selling a valuable artifact to make money or conspiracy to cover up "the smoking gun" which will destroy the hoax of evolution?

my money is on the old guy selling it for profit motive.

do you blog black helicopter sightings as well?
 
"Who is Jesus Christ and what did he say?" Pah!!! You mean 'who was', since he is dead. Unless you've seen him lately. I mean REALLY seen him, no metaphorical claptrap. I mean saw him like he came over to the house and hung with you and your home boys, had a few drinks, maybe played some cards. Or even saw him on TV, like being interviewed from his hospital bed after his SUV turned over, or after being arrested for card-counting in a Vegas casino, trying that old "But I'm God and I know all things" defence. I'll bet you have not. Face it. Dude's dead.

A better question might be who is Hassan al Sabah, the old man of the mountain, and what did he say?

"Bigamy is one wife too many. So is Matrimony".
 
sandjeep:
ah... dogs are a subspecies of wolves, just like evolution said would happen if you start breeding a subset of a species for specialized results. that's evolution at work.
If WHO does the breeding?....No, that’s intelligent Design at work.

In a way, you're right. Dog breeds were, and still are, a result of intellegent design - by humans. This is the result of selective breeding, or artifical selection. Take a close look at human history and you'll find evidence that many peoples kept dogs of various breeds for a few thousand years. They're not called man's best friend for nothing.

Don't confuse selective breeding with selective reading.
 
lamont:
are you really serious?

senile old guy selling a valuable artifact to make money or conspiracy to cover up "the smoking gun" which will destroy the hoax of evolution?

my money is on the old guy selling it for profit motive.

do you blog black helicopter sightings as well?


Not a smoking gun, but motive is always a question for me. As far as destroying evolution? No, not at all.

do you blog black helicopter sightings as well?

No, I don't blog anything period, but occassionally I ride in helicopters and our local county Sherrif has two UH-1Hs that are painted black. Whats your point?:D
 
agilis:
"Who is Jesus Christ and what did he say?" Pah!!! You mean 'who was', since he is dead. Unless you've seen him lately. I mean REALLY seen him, no metaphorical claptrap. I mean saw him like he came over to the house and hung with you and your home boys, had a few drinks, maybe played some cards. Or even saw him on TV, like being interviewed from his hospital bed after his SUV turned over, or after being arrested for card-counting in a Vegas casino, trying that old "But I'm God and I know all things" defence. I'll bet you have not. Face it. Dude's dead.

A better question might be who is Hassan al Sabah, the old man of the mountain, and what did he say?

"Bigamy is one wife too many. So is Matrimony".

Please explain His empty Tomb then.
 
sandjeep:
Not a smoking gun, but motive is always a question for me.

Your commitment to intellectual rigor does provide a good context for the rest of your postings...
 
sandjeep:
Please explain His empty Tomb then.
That's just nonsense. What about the empty tomb of pharaoh Khufu (Cheops)? Does his empty tomb make him a god as well? Pharaohs were considered to be gods or descendants of gods in ancient Egypt. Does this sole "evidence" confirms it to be true?

Back then it was pretty much an everyday occurrence to proclaim yourself the son of god. Jesus was no exception and certainly not the only one claiming this. And now, a couple of thousands of years from then, we should start believing those self-proclamations? Funny.
 
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