Creation vs. Evolution

[lamont]

Tell me exactly what a "god" is, and maybe I can answer that question.

that is the essence of my point.

 

[Warthaug]

i used to be as well, with a three-pronged problem:

1. By its very definition, I will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of a deity.

2. Assuming there is a deity, which of the many worshiped on Earth is the one? there is no way to prove this either; and

3. Assuming i can prove which is the "right" deity, how do i figure out what that deity wants from me, since the message has been passed down through imperfect (i.e. human) means and the deity doesn't seem inclined to reveal itself in the present?

all of the which led me to conclude that i could never solve this problem during my lifetime, and that i had better things to worry about, such as what sort of person i wanted to be, and what sort of life i wanted to lead.

if the deity thinks i'm wrong, he/she/it is welcomed to tell me in person.

I feel much the same; I spent a lot of my youth questioning my faith, other faiths; you know, the whole spiritual crisis thing. In the end I figured that we (as in people, no faith in particular) probably got it screwed up anyways, and that's assuming god even exists. So I just live my life as best as I can.

Bryan

 

[scubafool]

First, I want to say that was a very good answer to my question. Very well thought out, logical, and well written. It is just such that has made this thread one of my "must reads" every evening, and I appreciate it.

I don't think I said that was the only purpose of the Bible. The Bible certainly contains teachings that are applicable to all aspects of our lives.

He told you how to gain eternal life. That's not enough?

No, but you certainly used the "directions to obtain eternal life" to evade a very worthwhile question. 'Tis OK, though, you answered it rather well in the end.

I don't know how to try to get this accross in a few sentances but some of the principles that we find in the Bible are concerned with learning to be content where we are and learning to serve God where we are.

I don't exactly like this line of reasoning. ACCEPTING where we are is one thing, but being content with where we are is another. Being content with our situation takes away any drive to improve either our life or ourselves.

Paul often refers to himself as a Bond servant of Christ. Read the New Testament verses that apply to slaves and see what it is telling them. Put it in context. We are all in service to someone and many of us will live out our lives on earth in rather lowly positions. I might be "free" but I have all these bills that must be paid or I'll be on the street. If my boss says "jump" I need to jump. I can leave that job but I'll just have some one else telling me to jump and my situation hasn't really changed. No matter what I do, I have many authorities over me and some are certainly less than fair or just.

But you DO have the option of walking away from it at any time, whereas a true slave does not. The slave has absolutely no control over their lot in life, while you have all of the control.

What should my attitude be? How do I honor and glorify God WERE I AM? What is it that's really important? The Bible tells us an awful lot about the importance of service, giving, loving God and other people and on and on, but don't pass by the emphasis on service too fast. Can we really put that all together and come to the conclusion that the Bible is telling us that we should enslave others? If my focus is on Gods work and Gods kingdom, being a slave might just turn into a real oportunity. When Paul was in prison chained to a jailer he wasn't worried about getting free. He was thankful to God for arranging it so the jailer couldn't get away from him. LOL

In regards to the bolded section, how loving is it towards another to own them and control their day to day life?

 

[ksb070279]

I am a young earth creationist. I have studied the matter at great length and have found that evolution has been found left wanting. Many holes lie in the theory, the biggest of them being the time that it would have taken for evolution to take place. Science actually points to a young earth (about 4000 B.C. creation date ) if you look at it closely and with an open mind. Scientist say that the sun is shrinking at 5 ft. per hour. At this rate the sun would would be twice the size it is now only 100,000 years ago. That would make for a hot summer don't ya think. Evolutionist claim the earth is millions (sometimes even billions) of years old. I could go on and on with other studies that would refute evolution, and will if anyone wants me to. God is good and He loves all of us. So much so that he created a world with oceans so deep we could never run out of things to explore. Study with an open mind. Give Him a chance.

 

[Soggy]

I have studied the matter at great length and have found that evolution has been found left wanting.

Based on what you just wrote, it is clear that you have not studied evolution or astronomy to any degree.

 

[ksb070279]

All of the changes we see in certian population are changes due to a loss of information. Evolutionist are calling for a gian in information. From a one celled organism into a multi celled oganism and so on.

 

[ksb070279]

All of the changes we see in certian population are changes due to a loss of information. Evolutionist are calling for a gian in information. From a one celled organism into a multi celled oganism and so on.[/quote]

 

[sandjeep]

Scientist say that the sun is shrinking at 5 ft. per hour. At this rate the sun would would be twice the size it is now only 100,000 years ago. That would make for a hot summer don't ya think.

Hello Ksb070279,

Although I'm not a scientist by trade, I don't believe that our sun is shrinking at 5 ft. per hour. John Eddy and Aram Boornazian published an abstract in 1979 concerning the decrease in the sun's size. However, it has been found that no secular change over the past 250 years was detectable, but a cyclic change with an 80-year periodicity was indicated. (J. H. Parkinson, L. V. Morrison, and F. R. Stephenson, "The Constancy of the Solar Diameter over the Past 250 Years," Nature 288, 548 (1980).

I'm not trying to throw you under the bus here and you are welcome to post as you like. However, I would be less than honest if I didn't bring this to your attention.

 

[Soggy]

All of the changes we see in certian population are changes due to a loss of information. Evolutionist are calling for a gian in information. From a one celled organism into a multi celled oganism and so on.

Huh??

 

[Soggy]

The sun is not shrinking...or at least not at any rate even remotely perceivable...
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1281.html
http://www.tim-thompson.com/resp8.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/young-earth/specific_arguments/sun_shrinking.html