Creation vs. Evolution

[Bryan]

wow ... that's excellent stuff

and still, we managed to figure out the atom, and our place (biologically speaking) on Earth, and we've come up with hot showers, cold beer, and scuba

not too shabby for hairless apes

in a way, we are the universe itself. we are the sentient part of the universe. we are the universe trying to figure itself out.

LOL, yeah... if we were the smartest beings in the universe, I'd be pretty disappointed

 

[MikeFerrara]

still curious about the missing years in the life, of the most important character in the bible

The gospels aren't intended to be a biography. While we might be interested in the day to day details of Christs thirty something year life, His life outside of His ministry and key events relating to the fulfilment of Old Testament scripture and Gods salvation plan just aren't the subject.

The Old Testament illustrates the need for a savior and tells of His Coming. The New Testament shows those scriptures fulfiled and how.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Roman history would disagree with this - the ownership of slavery in Rome was not limited to anyone - any free person, including Christians, could own slaves. Secondly, if slavery was wrong wouldn't Jesus have said something like "Thou shalt not own slaves", or otherwise left some indication, however vague, that it is wrong. He didn't - instead he left at least 3 clear statements saying how slaves should act. Granted, it wasn’t ringing support, but it most certainly was not condemnation.

Bryan

He told you how to gain eternal life. That's not enough?

 

[photohikedive]

The gospels aren't intended to be a biography. While we might be interested in the day to day details of Christs thirty something year life, His life outside of His ministry and key events relating to the fulfilment of Old Testament scripture and Gods salvation plan just aren't the subject.

The Old Testament illustrates the need for a savior and tells of His Coming. The New Testament shows those scriptures fulfiled and how.

you would think there would be something of his childhood maybe. he is the main character in the book. the centerpiece for an entire religion.

 

[photohikedive]

He told you how to gain eternal life. That's not enough?

he also created hell.

I don't understand how one could praise a god, who created an eternity of torture, just for people who do not decide to become his servants.

as I understand it, the timeline goes as follows,

god says "do as I command"

then decides bribery might work better,
"do as I command, and you can go to heaven."

this wasn't working well enough, so he adds a threat,
"do as I command, or you will go to hell"

 

[MikeFerrara]

he also created hell.

I don't understand how one could praise a god, who created an eternity of torture, just for people who do not decide to become his servants.

as I understand it, the timeline goes as follows,

god says "do as I command"

then decides bribery might work better,
"do as I command, and you can go to heaven."

this wasn't working well enough, so he adds a threat,
"do as I command, or you will go to hell"

It's more like He is saying...Become my child and you can live in My house. Sounds like a good offer to me. Better than being adopted by Bill Gates.

But, your right, God wants it done His way. Mind you, it's not because He needs anything from us. It's for our good. We of course, are always thinking that we know better and have a better way. You think you should be able to do things your own way and still live in His house? Did that work with your parents? He's really not asking for all that much is He?

 

[Kim]

Better than being adopted by Bill Gates.

I'm sorry, I have to object to that..... it's plain nasty.

FWIW I think that Bill Gates has probably done more visibly for this planet than any God ever did. I don't see God working very hard against AIDS in Africa, in fact, according to what I'm reading in this thread God started the fire....it's others who have to try to put it out.

Creation? Was AIDS created or did it evolve? What about Malaria, Tuberculosis, Ebola etc....are these all creations of a loving God? How can anyone try and claim only the good for God and blame everything else on the so called 'sins' of Man. What a hype.....

 

[jonix]

Creation? Was AIDS created or did it evolve?

oh oh would this thread spawn an offspring?

 

[Warthaug]

He told you how to gain eternal life. That's not enough?

You're still avoiding the questions.

Bryan

 

[sandjeep]

You're still avoiding the questions.

Bryan

Sorry, my non-diving other life is getting in the way again

Not to wonder, as I'll be able to post later as I would like to reply to some of yours.