Creation vs. Evolution

[adurso]

Hey, I'm not picking a fight here, just want you to see my point. Actually, you just validated it. The one option that is not available within reason is to challenge ToE in the PUBLIC (secular) school system. Basically, you override and force your agenda.

Actually the challenge is rather simple, get elected to your local school board and pack the board with fellow thinkers. The school board sets the local agenda, should enough like minded citizens elect a majority to the Norfolk Virginia school board we would be teaching "creation science". Would this not be forcing an agenda? Your statement about overriding and forcing an agenda is phrased as an individual statement, in that MY personal agenda has overridden the wishes of the masses, please believe me that it is my fondest wish that MY agenda take the place of the current state of affairs....When I am Emperor of the world all high school graduates would speak one foreign language, know calculus, eastern and western history, speak American English, wear clothing that fits, be capable of staying awake for 40 minutes at a stretch, be imbued with curiousity about what lies beyond their limited horizons, and have the wherewithal to examine hitherto unknown ideas and determine the difference between fact and fantasy.....

 

[sandjeep]

adurso,
Sorry, I see your point and I should have written my response in a different fashion. I will also state that teaching 'Creation Science' is not what I'm seeking, but more of a choice. However, I can agree with much of what you say concerning current standards students seem to have.

 

[adurso]

adurso,
Sorry, I see your point and I should have written my response in a different fashion. I will also state that teaching 'Creation Science' is not what I'm seeking, but more of a choice. However, I can agree with much of what you say concerning current standards students seem to have.

Also during my reign large staple guns will be issued to my minions who will seek out those who fail to pull their trousers up about their hips......

 

[H2Andy]

The New Testament is written in koine greek. The compound word translated "Inspired of God" is:
θεόπνευστος ~ pronounced theopneustos, which literally means:

God-breathed; as in God breathed it out. In the Apostle Paul's letter to Timothy he states that All Scripture is God-breathed. 2 Timothy 3:16

Pug, as i am sure you know, this word and phrase ocurs only once in the entire New Testament, and it is the verse you cited.

it never ocurs before. it nevers ocur again.

it is a unique, one-time assertion by the author of 2 Timothy, and it does not have any complimenting "doctrine" to support it (for example, compare the numerous references to the resurrected Jesus in the New Testament. that is well established doctrine)

current scholarship dates 2 Timothy to the late 1st century at the earliest, and almost certainly to the early-mid second century. even dating it at the earliest possible point, it was written from 80-100 A.D., after Paul's death (clealry it could not have been written by Paul).

thus, it is a late-comer as far as New Testament epistles are concerned (Paul's earliest epistles, of which there is no doubt as to authorship, were written in the late 40's early 50's)

hanging a doctrine as important as "the Bible is inerrant" on one phrase that ocurs only once in the entire New Testament, and in a late epistle at that, does not seem sound to me.

of course, i approach the Bible from a secular, text-intensive point of view.

 

[The Chairman]

The Greek is obviously idiomatic for "inspired".

The breath of man was thought to hold his spirit. Inspire thus, means not only to breathe in but to imbue another's spirit with your own. While inspire is from the latin "inspīrāre", pneu is the Greek root word for "Spirit", "Wind" and "Breath". The philology is incredibly interesting.

Obviously, men have been given the Spirit of God, and yet they are not perfect. One of the most spiritual of these men, Paul, was even given a thorn in his flesh (yet another idiom) to keep him humble. Paul was acutely aware of his own short comings and encouraged us to "imitate me as I imitate Christ" (paraphrased). This intimates that sometimes he does not imitate Christ.

 

[sandjeep]

Also during my reign large staple guns will be issued to my minions who will seek out those who fail to pull their trousers up about their hips......

I have never understood why teenagers do this, not very practical at all, esp. if one needs to move fast. -shugs shoulders-

back to topic--Jesus said

 

[sandjeep]

The Bible (KJV) states God created life. (Other major religions have not been represented on this thread.) Since this fly’s in the face of what evolutionists believe, then the Bible must be incorrect. If the Bible is incorrect, is it every word or just parts that are incorrect? How does one know which parts are incorrect? If one cannot tell which parts are incorrect, then the whole must be rejected as false! If the whole is rejected as false, then one is left searching for other answers such as ToE.

If the entire Bible is false, one must reject who Jesus Christ is. In rejecting who Jesus Christ is, Christianity falls completely, because without Him, there is no reason to not think death is it for us. If death is it for us, then evolution is true and there really is zero point to all of this life stuff. We should all just dive as much as possible and forget the rest.

So, the questions of Who is Jesus and what did He say concerning the accuracy of the scriptures is important.

 

[photohikedive]

here is a question I have always wondered about.

chirstianity is all about christ. without him, the bible is just a book of jewish tales. yet if chirst is so important, why is so little of his life recorded?

 

[MikeFerrara]

ok, I know I said I was leaving this thread but...

The theology of inerrancy is not based on any single book, chapter or verse. "Inerrancy" is, of course, not a Biblical term but rather a theological term we use to describe what the Bible teaches in regard to it's own inspired nature and truth. The consistancy of that teaching is demonstrated from one end of the Bible to the other and there must be hundreds of examples that we could use to illustrate what that teaching is.

Aside from the Bible itself, there are many many easily found articles that give the subject a much more through treatment than I can, so I won't even try.

 

[photohikedive]

ok, I know I said I was leaving this thread but...

see? more evidence that you can't trust those pesky christians......

good to see you back Mike