Creation vs. Evolution

[Tassie_Rohan]

If I were to bring up the PO Halo effect found in what is called "original rock" which could only have formed had that granite cooled instantaneously, they would show their studies that conclude otherwise.

Aloha, Tim

Hi there Tim - I'm just tuning into this debate again after a spell: could you elaborate on what you mean by the above - the thermodynamics and cooling path of a granite body (or any other igneous rock) is a very easy thing to model and indeed is being measured as we speak. We're talking cubic kilometres of SiO2-Al-K-Na goo crystallising into a few well known mineral species over a limited number of pressure/temp/composition paths to form most igneous plutons.

You simply can not extract heat fast enough in the hot insulating lower crust (>300C) where granite bodies settle to solidify them inside a few million years: and radiometric age dating of progressive crystallisation of hundreds if not thousands of older igneous bodies supports the thermodynamic models.

This is of course unless god made it that way, in which case we are dealing with a god with a sense of humour who likes practical jokes...

This will be at at 2000 posts soon..

Cheers,
Rohan.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Interesting reading........

http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/accurate.htm

Interesting but there is lots more interesting reading to be found. From http://christianseparatist.org/ast/hist/qumran.htm

The Dead Sea Scrolls, or Qumran Documents, preserve a body of literature belonging to the Essenian cult, as well as portions of the Old Testament in Hebrew and Aramaic.

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Thus, the second reason why the Dead Sea Scrolls are of little value is because the Essenes could best be described as crazy. They were a Jewish sect who lived apart from women in a strict, ascetic environment, and, judging from the perverted nature of their other literature, we cannot trust their Old Testament documents simply because they would have been inclined to corrupt the documents to their own benefit.

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It should be noted that some of the Hebrew documents from the 2nd century BC preserved in Qumran may predate any Essene tampering. In other words, many of the Dead Sea Scrolls are from a later date after the Essenes were already thriving and producing their own literature, but some of the documents are from the 2nd century BC. These documents are of the greatest value because they contain little or no Essene tampering. Again, however, these manuscripts have not been properly analyzed because the Jews have not let the public see all of them. However, some scant information has been released regarding these most ancient texts. Lampe comments:

Just possibly some of that stuff was left in a cave because that's where it belongs given that the circular file would not be invented for many more centuries. LOL just a possibility.

 

[agilis]

This debate about the universe being 6000 years old is idiotic. I have friends who are nearly that old.

Similarly, the whole thing about Dead Sea scrolls, and various documents that are almost as recent as some library books I have forgotten to return, is a good example of the kind of stubborn foolishness that refuses to recognize the obvious. Key stories in the Bible were copied from other, older sources. Like many Shakespearian plays, the sources are very old stuff. The incomparable literary genius of the Elizabethan writers who reworked this material 400 years ago is what gives both the plays and the Bible stories their power and beauty. The whole tale about a God being born of a virgin in a stable, with wise men (magicians) bearing gifts is borrowed almost word-for-word from ancient pre-Christian Greek and Zoroastrian myths. Read Frazier's classic and definitively scholarly "The Golden Bough". Believing that fundamentalist creationist claptrap reminds me of the people who play with rattlesnakes and swallow poison while singing and thumping in some backwoods cabin until they induce a Voodoo trance and sweat Jesus juice while flopping around on the floor.

 

[H2Andy]

So...are we teaching science in schools

yes, until we start teaching Creatonism, in which case we're teaching myth. nothing wrong with teaching myth, mind you. just call it that.

or are we teaching a biased interpretation of a select subset of the data?

i am satisfied that the peer-review process works. remember, every evolutionist hoax ever exposed was exposed ... by .... scientists...

you got it

They presented very little or no support for that theory and no competing theories were presented.

there are no competing scientific theories to evolution.

there are competing myths... but again, that's a different subject.

 

[AXL72]

I am with soggy on the hogwash about the speed of light diminishing.

I mean if you were able to stare at a clock with a super high powered telescope, and travel away from it at "c"...the constant for former speed of light, according to some, then that clock would stand still and time would appear to stop...except for the fact that you are moving farther and farther away from the clock.

There is some other explanation for the differences in the atomic clocks.

 

[sandjeep]

While I'm thinking about it. Not sure if this is context of recent thread

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9592_22-5387842.html?tag=nl

 

[sandjeep]

I can go buy three different bibles at the bookstore now, and have three different interpretations.

I did not say anything about interpretations. I replied to your copy error argument with a factual statement. A copy of Isaiah (Great Isaiah scroll), was found and the results were published in 1950 & 55.

Interesting enough, prior to 1967, no Jews were on the International committee as stipulated by the Jordanians.

Mike, I think the link you provided is wrong, in that the Jews did not control anything. 80% of the discovered scrolls and fragments were published by the 70s.

 

[sandjeep]

Believing that fundamentalist creationist claptrap reminds me of the people who play with rattlesnakes and swallow poison while singing and thumping in some backwoods cabin until they induce a Voodoo trance and sweat Jesus juice while flopping around on the floor.

LOL, too funny.

 

[sandjeep]

If you are really really really sure; why prolong the suffering?

What are you suggesting?

 

[photohikedive]

Interesting enough, prior to 1967, no Jews were on the International committee as stipulated by the Jordanians.

Mike, I think the link you provided is wrong, in that the Jews did not control anything. 80% of the discovered scrolls and fragments were published by the 70s.

which is why I have a hard time believing "facts" on christian websites. some information is fabricated to suit the views of the person who made the website.