Creation vs. Evolution

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i do

i think i'm better than everybody else. the world is just too dumb to realize it

(checking watch)

any time now....

you're gonna need a bigger watch.....

 

[H2Andy]

you're gonna need a bigger watch.....

(fragging 15 letter minimum)

 

[photohikedive]

While this might be true for yourself, this is not how I approach truth, religion or my understanding of God.

lucky for me, I never did get into sports.....

 

[Thalassamania]

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents." Robert Kennedy Pursuit of Justice, 1964

the problem *is* the sort of thinking that polarizes people into us and them, with no middle ground allowed.

I agree, but the problem is that folks are polarized to the point where they blow each other and themselves up, and quite possibly us in the middle. And they don't want to hear that there's another way because they have a book that tells them the TRUTH! My concern is getting ground up between Jerry Falwell and bin Laden:

Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's 700 Club, hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."

Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "

People for the American Way transcribed the broadcast and denounced the comments as running directly counter to President Bush's call for national unity. Ralph G. Neas, the liberal group's president, called the remarks "absolutely inappropriate and irresponsible."

Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A White House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The president does not share those views."
Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was "making a theological statement, not a legal statement."

"I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist," he said. But he said America's "secular and anti- Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good."

Robertson was not available for comment, a spokeswoman said. But she released a statement echoing the remarks he made on his show. An ACLU spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson remarks with a comment."

From the Washington Post (by John F. Harris)

 

[H2Andy]

boy this is a huge topic...

more, not less, discourse and discussion is the solution. more ideas competing for people's hearts and minds, not less, is the solution

humanistic Western thought has nothing to fear from the likes of Falwell and bin Landen UNLESS it adopts their methods and thus sacrifices evertyhing that it stands for

 

[Bob3]

There I was... trying to recall which of the Upanishads covered levitation & Google tossed this little gem up to me & I just HAD to share it: The Evils of Yogurt

... We are also reminding everyone of our ban on the seamy byproduct of this filthy religion – the product named after its kinky sexual contortions, yogurt.

 

[fire_diver]

There I was... trying to recall which of the Upanishads covered levitation & Google tossed this little gem up to me & I just HAD to share it: The Evils of Yogurt

That's the best parody site I've seen!

(It's for real)

What NO WAY!

(way, dude.)

Bummer

JK folks!

 

[The Chairman]

Doc: I think it’s a long way from ‘people of color.”

Just because you are insensitive to the bigotry, does not make it less so.

In calling him a bigot you make part of his case. One of the things that Harris is saying is that the current demand to be PC keeps us from clear and open discourse on the subject: Our fear of provoking religious hatred has rendered us incapable of criticizing ideas that are now patently absurd and increasingly maladaptive.

Sorry, but I find his ideas patently absurd, and still have no compunction to lump "People of no faith" together in one teaming mass. This is at the crux of bigotry, whether it be about race, gender or religion.

Harris argues that faith gets in the way of knowledge and is at the root of much of the world’s conflicts.

So did Stalin. That doesn't make him any less wrong.

He says that he has not faith based system, but rather a system that builds a world view from that which is demonstrable and knowable: what one would call facts: It is time we conceded a basic fact of human discourse: either a person has good reasons for what he believes, or he does not.

Neither you, I or Mr. Harris are competent to determine WHY a person believes what they believe and whether or not they are "allowed" their beliefs. We might as well start burning people at the stake for being witches. His pseudo intellectual approach is nothing more than religious fascism designed to eliminate freedom of thought.

No matter what your religious situation, if you’ve looked at history you must concede that more people have died and that more atrocities have been promulgated in the name of a God than for any other reason.

Your premise is way off. If this were true, then we would have had NO atrocities coming out of communist Russia, where atheism was the state religion. In his efforts to defame religious beliefs, he has drawn the wrong conclusion from a biased set of facts. I would suggest that GREED, HATE and FEAR have been the ultimate roots of these atrocities, and that man has simply used God (or his hate of God) to justify these actions. If you disagree, please present one or two situations where GREED, HATE or FEAR were not present in the execution of the atrocity.

 

[The Chairman]

humanistic Western thought has nothing to fear from the likes of Falwell and bin Landen UNLESS it adopts their methods and thus sacrifices evertyhing that it stands for

Amen brother Andy.

 

[photohikedive]

GREED, HATE or FEAR were not present in the execution of the atrocity.

does putting Bob Saget as the host of America's Funniest Home Videos count?