Creation vs. Evolution

[fire_diver]

I don't know why, but as basically an Atheist its still troubling to me to see people doubting their religious Faith based on an event like this. It doesn't seem, to me, like it should be relevant or weigh in the balance at all (which goes for the Atheist who claimed to have their beliefs reaffirmed as well).

As a Christian I agree with your statement. Just don't judge the whole by a reporting of the few. A few might have had thier faith "tested", but a large number turned and embraced religion (many faiths, not just Christianity) after the events of 11 Sept.

FD

 

[scubafool]

You stand by the belief that we all crawled out of a pile of ooze at some point in our past. And I stand by the belief that an all powerfull God created everything that lives, walks, crawls, and breaths on this planet. If I am wrong, then I have lived my life as a good person, done my best to contribute to society in a positive way and have hopefully inspired others to do the same. If I am right, regardless of your lifestyle, I will be standing on the right side of the throne overjoyed that my eternity is secured and sad that yours will be too.

Although I have read each and every post in this thread, and most of them more than twice, I haven't posted until now.

The underlined portion of your post strikes me as odd. I was raised in a very fundamentalist Christian household, and I had a lot of things drilled into my head. I learned that I was NOT a good person, could never hope to be, and my only salvation was through trust in Jesus Christ, and accepting the gift of his death as recompense for my sins. You know, the verse that says "For there is none good, no, not one." And "Not by works, lest any man should boast, but by the grace of God are ye saved". ( I think I am off on the last quote, but it has been awhile)

And for the rest of the underlined portion, there is nothing about being saved that makes one neccesarily more able to contribute to society or influence others to do likewise. Why can an unbeliever not improve the world around him? Why can't he inspire others to do the same?

If you choose to walk the Christian path, I take no issue with that, but never think that it somehow makes you better than someone else. In fact, the very text that you take your instruction from says different.

And I am sorry that I digressed so far from the original topic.

 

[AXL72]

Didn't see it. Can't find it. Did the MODs get it?

Yes, I believe the mods got it. It was for the better. This thread brings out strong emotions, which is usually the case and expected when talking about religion and differing beliefs.

 

[Debay777]

SCUBAFOOL - while I agree with your statements, I think you took me a little bit too literaly. In no way do I consider myslef without fault. I am a sinner born into sin and saved only by the grace of Jesus Christ. My comment wasnt meant to go quite as deep and philosphical as you took it. Also, for those who took that to be condesending, I apologize. I did not mean to offend. The scriptures tell us that regardless of your lifestyle that if we do not recognize Jesus as the son of God sent to die for our sins and acept him into our hearts and lives that we are condemed to an eternity of suffering in Hell. Its not my judgement but God's. I truely am sorry that there will be people condemed to that. There will be husbands and wives, friends, parents and children, and best of friends that will be seperated for eternity. One in the glories of heaven, the others in the confines of pain. I hold no animosity toward any of you here who openly ridicule christians and their beliefs. and I do appreciate those others that agree to disagree without making snide comments or truely condesending remarks. I only feel sadness that you refuse to allow the truth to enter your hearts. I hope that as God continues to work in your life that you will recognize his presence and accept the gift that he has freely given.

 

[lamont]

SCUBAFOOL - while I agree with your statements, I think you took me a little bit too literaly. In no way do I consider myslef without fault. I am a sinner born into sin and saved only by the grace of Jesus Christ. My comment wasnt meant to go quite as deep and philosphical as you took it. Also, for those who took that to be condesending, I apologize. I did not mean to offend. The scriptures tell us that regardless of your lifestyle that if we do not recognize Jesus as the son of God sent to die for our sins and acept him into our hearts and lives that we are condemed to an eternity of suffering in Hell. Its not my judgement but God's. I truely am sorry that there will be people condemed to that.

I feel truely sorry that you believe in that God... I don't understand why people do that to themselves...

 

[wreckchick]

"It's my own fault. I know better, I really do. If only I would just do what he says he wouldn't get 'angry'. He always says he's sorry after and buys me flowers. I know he really loves, I just need to do better."

Sound familiar?

R

 

[Azza]

I feel truely sorry that you believe in that God... I don't understand why people do that to themselves...

Me Too. Imagine having faith in something that made you feel inadequate and guilt ridden for your whole life. Such a shame

 

[Hank49]

The scriptures tell us that regardless of your lifestyle that if we do not recognize Jesus as the son of God sent to die for our sins and acept him into our hearts and lives that we are condemed to an eternity of suffering in Hell. Its not my judgement but God's. I truely am sorry that there will be people condemed to that. .

I've always wondered about this. Especially people who are "born again". How does one "recognize" or "accept" Jesus? There's no doubt that he was a good man and if we all thought like he did, the world would be more peaceful. But what is the criteria that God has drawn up that demonstates "acceptance".

 

[lamont]

Me Too. Imagine having faith in something that made you feel inadequate and guilt ridden for your whole life. Such a shame

Hopefully at some point he can learn to stand on his own two feet. I understand though that some people whose own moral compass goes so out of whack may need a crutch to reset themselves (much like a depressive needing antidepressants while training their mind not to go down depressive avenues). Evertime I read someone claim they are a "sinner born into sin and saved only by the grace of Jesus Christ" I just wonder what they did that was so horrible and hope that they'll be able to get better at some point and find what is good within themselves without needing that external crutch. Its so obviously self-flagellating..

 

[Zingtea]

I feel truely sorry that you believe in that God... I don't understand why people do that to themselves...

^^What he said.:book: