Creation vs. Evolution

[H2Andy]

The only true "laws" of God I know of are the 10 commandments. I'm not Jewish, therfore I don't recognize Jewish law.

so there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, then?

(it's not mentioned in the 10 Commandments)

 

[fire_diver]

I never said there was.

Or as Seinfeld would say, "....not that there's anything wrong with that."

 

[H2Andy]

i didn't recall you saying it, i was just checking

(trying not to assume and such, you know)

 

[fairybasslet]

How to creationists explain away evidence like this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/science/21child.html

Oh, nevermind. I don't really want to know. I'm bored on a Friday afternoon and actually have all of my work completed.:mooner:

 

[H2Andy]

if i had to explain it away, i would try a few arguments:

1. it's not 3.3 million years old. they got the dating wrong.

2. it's a human skull, even if that old, so it doesn't show evolution, just that humans were around then (and how do you know God didn't create them?)

3. it's an ape skull, perhaps a chimp or small gorilla-like species now extinct.

4. some scientist planted that to get recognition and get ahead in his field. it's a fake.

5. God "planted" such evidence to test our faith. thus, it's a fake.

i'm sure there are others

 

[redacted]

How to creationists explain away evidence like this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/science/21child.html

Oh, nevermind. I don't really want to know. I'm bored on a Friday afternoon and actually have all of my work completed.:mooner:

When one finds evidence that contradicts an axiom, it is obvious that the evidence is false. The exact reason for its falsehood is of secondary importance.

 

[mislav]

I think the "God planted it to test our faith" argument destroys just about any scientific theory ever made.

You thought gravity couldn't be disputed? C'mon, it's just God playing tricks on us, holding us and everything else pinned down to the ground to fool us into believing we got one of his laws figured out. How can gravity exist? It makes no sense! I don't see nothing sticking on me if I start spinning.

 

[lamont]

I say it is an abomination to have sex with a MOF

that explains why i'm single...

 

[lamont]

wow, I couldnt read all of this thread. I dont think my life span would allow it. But here is my 2p.s.i.--
Evolution is crap. There is not one single solitary piece of hard evidence that demonstrates true evolution. If every animal on this planet evolved from something else, then where are the fossils of these in-between creatures. Not one fossil has been found showing how a dolphin became a dog or vise versa. Now there is an aspect of evolution that is doccumented and is real but the propper term for that is especiation or commonly adaptation. for instance, fish trapped in a cave. They may lose their ability to see, lose their color, or become self luminous. That is adaptation. THe fish is still a fish and will always be a fish. THe one trial that got evolution taught in schools was based on a tooth recovered by archeologists. from the tooth they created a jaw, then a skull, then a skeleton, then a body. they painted up a monkey man and used it as evidence of cave man. the tooth was the only item found at that dig and the resulting commotion it stirred halted digging all together. some years latter the dig was resumed and a pig skull was found. the damage had been done and a championed cause for evolution was won by a pigs tooth.
as to the age of the earth. carbon dating is the main tool for aging an item and or the earth. It too is flawed. An archeologist from australia had a piece of stone carbon dated. I forget the actual age but it came back as 2-3 million years old i believe. the stone was a chip off of a petrified leather miners hat that had been sealed off for about 200 years. there are many fossils of dinosours found in the same sedimant layers as human remains. In parts of the world fossilized human and dinosour tracks are found side by side as if man and beast had walked together on the same trail. If you back off of the carbon dating and look at humans and dinosours living together the age of the earth shrinks considerably.
to be fair, there is little evidence about creationism that can be dug up, measured, and held in ones hand. but a scientific examination,, open minded, and common sense look at the scriptures will reveal that they answer many quetions about the origin of life very easily and the age of the earth very easily. this link goes to a web page dedicated to creationism and can offer a lot information, if you are ready to recieve it. http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/ham.asp

The light from the andromeda galaxy (which can be seen with the naked eye) left it 2.5 million years ago, and I can take you through how to date globular clusters back to 10-15 billion years ago if you've got enough time to sit down and take you through stellar structure and evolution (which is a quarter or semester long college level course).

 

[Thalassamania]

wow, I couldnt read all of this thread. I dont think my life span would allow it. But here is my 2p.s.i.

Evolution is crap.

I’m guessing that you’re referring to copralithograhy?

There is not one single solitary piece of hard evidence that demonstrates true evolution.

True, not one … thousands.

If every animal on this planet evolved from something else, then where are the fossils of these in-between creatures.

Many were never fossilized. Many have been found. Many have been lost through weathering and tectonic processes. Where is every piece of paper that you ever wrote on?

Not one fossil has been found showing how a dolphin became a dog or vise versa.

None ever will be, that’s not the path.

Now there is an aspect of evolution that is doccumented and is real but the propper term for that is especiation or commonly adaptation. for instance, fish trapped in a cave. They may lose their ability to see, lose their color, or become self luminous. That is adaptation.

That’s evolution. Give it time and more major changes will occur.

THe fish is still a fish and will always be a fish.

And some line of fish will change into something else.

THe one trial that got evolution taught in schools was based on a tooth recovered by archeologists. from the tooth they created a jaw, then a skull, then a skeleton, then a body. they painted up a monkey man and used it as evidence of cave man. the tooth was the only item found at that dig and the resulting commotion it stirred halted digging all together. some years latter the dig was resumed and a pig skull was found. the damage had been done and a championed cause for evolution was won by a pigs tooth.

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

as to the age of the earth. carbon dating is the main tool for aging an item and or the earth. It too is flawed. An archeologist from australia had a piece of stone carbon dated. I forget the actual age but it came back as 2-3 million years old i believe. the stone was a chip off of a petrified leather miners hat that had been sealed off for about 200 years.

Before you comment on carbon dating you should learn something about it rather than parrot foolishness that others who know nothing have posted on the web.

there are many fossils of dinosours found in the same sedimant layers as human remains. In parts of the world fossilized human and dinosour tracks are found side by side as if man and beast had walked together on the same trail. If you back off of the carbon dating and look at humans and dinosours living together the age of the earth shrinks considerably.

There are no fossils of dinosaurs found in the same undisturbed bed as human remains. There are no tracks of dinosaurs and humans in the same rock. Even the more rabid creationists have given up on this absurd claim: Paluxy Tracks

to be fair, there is little evidence about creationism that can be dug up, measured, and held in ones hand.

To be fair there is zero evidence.

but a scientific examination,, open minded, and common sense look at the scriptures will reveal that they answer many quetions about the origin of life very easily and the age of the earth very easily.

A scientific examination of the scriptures will show a piece of literature recording legends that one can play E-ching with and read into it anything that one might want.

this link goes to a web page dedicated to creationism and can offer a lot information, if you are ready to recieve it. http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/ham.asp

There are many, many creationist web sites on the Internet. They range from the sublime to the ridiculous (see the Creation Evidences Museum or even the web site of that arch idiot Kent Hovind). But the worst by far is Creation Tips (an Australian site, see Wacky Web Sites). Creation Tips is extremely well designed but filled with the most extraordinary rubbish one could imagine. All of the sites listed above are excellent examples of the ridiculous.
But it's difficult to decide just where, between sublime and ridiculous, Answers in Genesis (AiG-USA) falls. Sublime is an apt description only if one realises that to the average creationist, lies, subterfuge and a particular aversion to proper science is acceptable. It's also somehow indicative of their strange version of Christianity. In the final count, I must place AiG-USA in the ridiculous category.
Having said that, AiG-USA's web site isn't your run of the mill site. It's easy to navigate and pleasing to the eye and must cost squillions of dollars to maintain.
At first glance it appears to be chock full of interesting articles dealing with the creation/science debate. However, further investigation reveals its many flaws, including a lack of proper scientific argument, a propensity to quote prominent scientists out of context, a willingness to use the words of long dead scientists and to offer up lists of scientists who prefer creation over evolution and who operate in such diverse fields as psychologists, plant physiologists (tropical fruit experts) medical doctors, theoretical chemists, chemical engineers, professors of statistics, aeronautical engineers, mechanical engineers, dentists, plastic surgeons, veterinary surgeons, philosophers, etc., etc., in an attempt to lend the creationist argument some credibility.
And believe it or not, there is not ONE link on the AiG-USA's site to a reputable scientific site - no museums, no universities or other sites devoted to scientific learning.
AiG-USA fails the scientific test with flying colours.
So, dear seekers of the truth, find a comfortable chair, take a deep breath and read on, but remember - AiG-USA is considered the premium creationist site. Doesn't say much for the rest of them, does it?