Creation vs. Evolution

[Soggy]

However - if someone says that evolution (as far as us comming from apes, etc) is fact - then I would disagree (which I hope you can understand).

You can disagree all you want. You're still wrong.

 

[adza]

There is an amount of defensiveness on "both" sides, perhaps. It is difficult to judge the tone of a written conversation without the body language that goes along with a face to face conversation. What is perceived as an attack on personal, religious beliefs may be a true desire to learn.

Totally agree with you adurso! That's why I try to use smilies to show my 'light heartedness' to replies. They can come in handy, but in the end - text as opposed to a face to face discussion lacks much. (Don't they say that somethign like 90% of our communication comes from body language?

you don't understand your enemy. and you are wrong about their aims.

This can be correct in some sence - but I think it is a generalisation.

Do you worship a God that will incinerate billions of human beings because they don't believe what He wants them to?

If we're talking about understanding our enemy (and don't take this personally - I don't see you as my enemy, but maybe you see Christians as yours) - then the above quote is a misunderstanding of the biblical example of God.

No one will go to hell because they don't believe what they want Him to. The only people that will go to hell are the ones that deserve it - those who have broken His laws. (For simplistic sence - refer to the 10 commandments).

Even the Devil believes in God - but this won't "save" him.

Unfortuantly - we have many people preaching a "false" gospel. (ie, Come to God - He will give you prosperity, and joy, etc). No wonder many people are turned of Christians with this crum.

In short - we're all sentenced to hell. We've broke the law, and need to pay the price. However - Christ has offered to take your place in Hell - so that you may be saved. Whether you accept his offering or not (which requires repentance of your sins) is up to the individual.

According to my understanding - no one will go to hell because they didn't believe. They will go to hell because 1) They deserve it and, 2) They rejected the option that was given to them by God in the first place.

hey, i'm married nothing scares the crap out of me (except my wife)

Hey - I'm on a roll. I can agree/relate with Bryan on some things, and now I can agree/relate with you too!

Separation of Church and State is a uniquely American concept that other cultures (and it appears a fair number of our own citizens) just don’t get.

... and a phrase that has been completely reversed from it's original meaning. Originally - this was intended to keep the state out of Churches, and not the other way around. It's been twisted to the opposite to promote the goals of those who are against the church. (Just a short history lesson. )

Cheers

 

[mdb]

So was everyone else who's posted their results so...either the test is rigged to put us all there (a possibility) or all of us regardless of the debates we've been having are actually much closer to one another than we are to the governments we all live under...perhaps we're having the debate with the wrong people.

bwerb: It does seem that some SB members are upper right quadrant while many others migrate lower left. As divers we are, most likely, much closer in overall world views than our constant debates: DIR, LDS, MOF, etc. may indicate. In the end, after a week of back and forth, many folks on this board just go and get wet. Good safe diving to all.

 

[adza]

You can disagree all you want. You're still wrong.

Soggy - are you saying that we originated from ape beings is Fact?

If so - this confirmes my previous argument. This is no longer science - it's a belief - a religion. (Unless you can show me eye wittness examples, or laberatory observations of an ape being turned into a human)

 

[bwerb]

I'm counting laps...

 

[Kim]

Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

 

[adza]

For those interested in something a little different - here are 2 people (AFAIK, respected in their field) going head to head on a public debate of evolution and creation. (2hrs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL-cORRZdng

Those who are hard core evolution supporters - their's no point watching - you'll only side with the evolution guy, - and it'll be a waste of your time.

Those who are hard core creationist supporters - same deal - you'll only side with the creation guy.

However, those who are interested in hearing a debate and rebuttles from both sides may find it interesting.

Cheers

 

[bwerb]

In the spirit of full disclosure this "respected in his field" debator is a perfect example of someone who has some serious credibility and personal issues and is exactly the type of individual who should NOT be held up as a representative of the faithful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

 

[JeffG]

In the spirit of full disclosure this "respected in his field" debator is a perfect example of someone who has some serious credibility and personal issues and is exactly the type of individual who should NOT be held up as a representative of the faithful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

LOL

charged in Federal court in Pensacola, Florida with 58 separate counts of federal tax and tax-related offenses

On November 2, 2006 he was found guilty of all charges by a jury and faces a maximum of 288 years in prison.

 

[adza]

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.31

Well - that threw me. I consider my self to be right winged.

In the spirit of full disclosure this "respected in his field" debator is a perfect example of someone who has some serious credibility and personal issues and is exactly the type of individual who should NOT be held up as a representative of the faithful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

Very dissapointed about the tax related offenses. Thanks for sharing that bwerb! I certainly don't believe in hiding anything as a bible believing Christian! I also believe if he's guilty - he should be punished.

Of course though, with the other statement on public scrutiny - 'course he's going to be the result of public scrutiny - he disagrees with what's being taught in school - and goes against the 'system'. I'm also the result of scrutiny in this thread too.

Still - for what it's worth - if people want to see a debate on this topic - I recon it's worth a look. (Each can decide for themselves - I offer it to anyone as a suggestion - and I certainly wont push anyone saying that they should watch it or force it upon anyone).