Creation vs. Evolution

[Rick Murchison]

you don't understand your enemy. and you are wrong about their aims.


i would recommend Beyond Shock and Awe, by Eric L. Haney, founding member of Delta Force and Command Sergeant Major with the U.S. Army.

the press don't get it, and President Bush don't get it either

find out for yoruself

If I am wrong, no big deal.
If you are wrong, you (or your children, or your children's children) are dhimmi - if they decide to let you live.
I base my conclusion on my own studies (no, I haven't written a book on the subject, but I have been a student of the area and the culture and the history and the current events for forty years - Haney and I disagree) and on what the enemy leaders have said. Those who say they will not rest have given me no reason to doubt them; those who argue "if we just get out and leave them alone they'll be nice" are blind. They are attacking all over the world.
Good will will not save you.
Believing "moderates" will not save you.
Only the utter defeat of radical Islam will do the trick. Doubt their goals if you like.
Rick

 

[adurso]

you don't understand your enemy. and you are wrong about their aims.


i would recommend Beyond Shock and Awe, by Eric L. Haney, founding member of Delta Force and Command Sergeant Major with the U.S. Army.

the press don't get it, and President Bush don't get it either

find out for yoruself

I am unsure of what you are saying here, but from Beyond Shock and Awe: "The bin Ladens of the world have no concern whatsoever of bringing down our government, or of destroying the American way of life, or of converting the West to Islam. Their objectives are simple: They want things the way they were, according to the myths of the good old days. Their view and desire is of a Pan-Islamic government encompassing the entire Muslim world-and oh, by the way, they, the Pure Ones, will lead that world"


In the short term this is indeed the goal. The long term is another story. the world has become a much smaller place, should the "entire muslim world" fall under a Pan-Islamic government this would be wonderful. The Saudis would run the show, and all will be well. For a time....

Conflict between ideologies is inevitable, the Pan-Islamic government would not be satisfied with "westernized' muslims, the government of this sort would be repressive by nature. In order to stamp out western influence it would become more repressive still. At some point there will be conflict. This is why it is believed we have a conflict of civilizations.

I have spent time in the middle east, I have lived with the Saudis, I was in DC when the Shah fled Iran and the new government trashed the Iranian embassy.

I do understand the enemy, I know first hand of their aims.....

But I do hope I am wrong....for my children's sake

 

[Warthaug]

Famous Scientists Who Believed in God

Belief in God?
Is belief in the existence of God irrational? These days, many famous scientists are also strong proponents of atheism. However, in the past, and even today, many scientists believe that God exists and is responsible for what we see in nature. This is a small sampling of scientists who contributed to the development of modern science while believing in God.
Rich Deem
Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Sir Fancis Bacon (1561-1627)
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
....
http://www.clearriver.org/Deeper/Sci...s Quotes.htm

Damn that new data and all those influenced by it. I guess we should habve stopped learning years ago. If only the earth were still flat!:shakehead

The real irony here is if anything, his list shows that religion and science need not be in conflict. Both Copernicus and Kepler worked on theories which were in direct opposition to Christian thought at the time (i.e. that the earth went around the sun, and not vice-versa). Galileo should also be on that list (and falls into the same category as Copernicus and Kepler). And look at them now - Christianity is using them as poster boys.

Will the irony never end?

Bryan

 

[H2Andy]

I do understand the enemy

we'll have to disagree about that

If I am wrong, no big deal.
If you are wrong, you (or your children, or your children's children) are dhimmi - if they decide to let you live.

you have a lot of fear, and fear is irrational

and also easily manipulated

 

[mikerault]

Most Christian churchs practice Paulianity, not Chistianity. It is odd that we choose to follow the words of the one Apostle that never met Jesus in the flesh.

 

[Thalassamania]

I do understand the enemy, bin Laden and Co. are one part, sure. But the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells et. al., are every bit as inimical to freedom of thought and action (and far more insidious as they try to “swim like fish” in the sea of a supportive populace).

 

[mislav]

How to Talk to a Scientist--If You Must

When people want to argue with you that "real" science is used every day to do things like cure diseases or make genetically enhanced grains, you need to know how to put them in their place.

* Say things like "Well if you remember chemistry, that just disproves evolution."

* Remind them that evolution and Intelligent Design are both "theories." Compare Einstein's Theory of Relativity to your theory that Michael Jackson is really Elvis. One theory is as good as another, so both should be taught.

* Remind them that God loves you and hates them, which makes you better and more qualified to make scientific judgments.

* Drown them out by shouting that you get your information from "a higher authority."

* Tell them that in this post-modern world of relativism, people need to be taught that things are not always as they seem. I mean, if the guy from Depeche Mode is married to a woman, you really can't prove or disprove anything.

* We all know life is just too complex to have started on its own. And even though the "creator" is obviously more complex than any other life in the universe, there is no reason to worry about where HE came from. Just put that question out of your mind. And if a scientist asks you explain how an ultra-advanced god could just spontaneously create itself out of nothing, kick him in the balls and run away. God doesn't like people who asks too many questions.

* Dazzle 'em with bull****: The growing, irrefutable body of knowledge about DNA is a gold mine for proponents of Intelligent Design. Paul Davies, a researcher and professor of physics at the University of Queensland and at the Australian Center for Astrobiology at Macquarie University, says: "Just as the sequence of letters in an instruction manual is independent of the chemistry of the paper and ink, so the ‘letters’ in DNA—-which make up the information—-are independent of the chemical properties of nucleic acid." This will confuse the lay person who believes in "science" and make them give up talking to you. You will win the argument by default.(Unless your scientist goes`into the "that is a circular argument" argument,(which is really a polite and urbane way of saying "Wha-...thats bull!") meaning your bluff has been called and you will have to continue.)

Source: Intelligent Design.

Also this: The theory of Evolution. Funny!

 

[redacted]

I do understand the enemy, bin Laden and Co. are one part, sure. But the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells et. al., are every bit as inimical to freedom of thought and action (and far more insidious as they try to “swim like fish” in the sea of a supportive populace).

And they and their supporter don't have to get thru immigration and customs.

 

[adurso]

we'll have to disagree about that

Enlighten me then, please

 

[Thalassamania]

Enlighten me then, please

Please, I must have missed something, I'm also confused.