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Kind has not place in science since it lacks any definition (or rather, can be use to take on the definition most convienient at the moment).adurso:
Creation vs. Evolution
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adurso
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Thalassamania:
Hence the language issue again, the opposition assigns arbitrary meaning to specific words and shouts :"I win!" I am off for a large bowl of pasta and contemplative time with my dwarves and mountains poster.
H2Andy
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TCDiver1:
in your scenario, those who combine education with real world know-how
did you read your own post??
adurso:
pray tell, what word is not a set of symbols assigned an arbitratry meaning?
that is the nature of language. words need to be defined, or we'd never be able to communicate
I want your horse
The little horse or the large horse?
well, the little horse is called a dog.
no, the little horse is called a little horse. the big horse is called a dog.
no, the big horse is called an elephant
no, an elephant is that thing over there with the sirens blaring and the red lights...
and on and on and on...
do we really want to get into the semiotics of language?
one simple example:
think of LAUGHTER. think of all the things it connotes. ok ... that's what LAUGHTER means.
now add an "S" to LAUGHTER ... and it becomes
SLAUGHTER
completley different meaning, just changed by one letter .. totally arbitrary arrangement of letters, differentiated only by one added letter, and yet, their meanings are worlds apart
language is arbitrary by nature. words mean what we say they mean.
sorry, if you want to play with people in their field, you need to know what the words they are using mean. you are the guest, please learn their language.
Thalassamania, the name of that little place on the Sav road out of Negril was Paradise Yard. The cook/mamager was a woman from Panama married to a Jamaican, so we got Ital empanadas, rastapasta, all kinda ting. The tables were circular attachements at the base of Royal Palms 100 feet high, growing out of the morass. This was long ago and far away, and I knew Rita Marley well, and her now famous kids, when they were tiny, and they stayed the whole winter at Charela Inn, and I dived the then lovely unspoiled Negril reefs with Cecil, and life was an endless dream. We reasoned for hours about Babylon and Rastafari and the shtstem and downpression. A vanished world that will never come again. Jamaica shimmered with a supernatural bluegreen beauty, and parrots screamed and soared through cloud mists deep in the cockpits. Paradise Yard was well named.
Jamdiver
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Sounds like a lot of reasoning and overstanding occured there......agilis:
Did you celebrate your earthday in the Island?
Always glad to hear of visitors having such fond memories here.
Bless up.
[/hijack]
EDIT - There's a place in Portland (long bay beach) that reminds me of that, nice little restaurant...
Are you telling ardurso that he needs to learn our language?H2Andy:
You are slaughtering me!
H2Andy
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Uncle Pug:
yes i am
that's exactly what i am saying.
(the biggest service we could do for ourselves and for immigrants in this country, and i speak as an immmigrant, is teaching them English as fast as possible. spend as much money as you can on that, and it will pay for itself over the lives of the immigrants as they contribute to the economy)
now, back to the evolution thing:
you COULD just do away with all the collected findings of the past 150 years and say, "i'm not going to bother dealing with those... i'm just going to make my half-baked arguments without really knowing what's going on"
but don't expect much respect if you do
(Pug tactic No. 3: link your opponent's argument to an unrelated but highly controversial issue, and watch them try to wiggle their way out of it while you punch away on target... Pug, you sly devil, you
)
Jamdiver, wherever I wander, Jamaica will always have a hold on me. I was bewitched decades ago, by life altering experiences. It's far more than just good memories. I've tasted the earth and heard the voice of the Yellow Snake. The Westmoreland and Hanover of the 1970s set the trajectory of my subsequent life. I went to Jamaica with a medical diagnosis that gave me only a short time to live. It's more than 30 years has passed. Jamaica is indeed unique, and, despite the crushing problems that afflict her she is still beautiful. I know her well, as she knows me. Agilis is my Blackbill, still with me all these many years.
Soggy
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adza:
Sorry, adza. You are no longer worthy of wasting my time. You have made up a bunch of stuff in your head that simply isn't true and you believe it with such fervor that it's not worth my effort to explain why anymore. You have lost all perspective and rationality on the topic.
My, my, my... aren't we a little high on our horse this morning? While I don't doubt the preciousness of your time, or your lordship over its use, I do think you've chosen a rather unfortunate wording for that sentiment.Soggy:
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