Creation vs. Evolution

[Soggy]

Is that known for a fact? Or is it a tenet of belief?

Is it supported by evidence?
Scientific evidence. Testable. Repeatable.

It was just made up by a bunch of crazy scientists. They have no evidence to support it at all.

It is supported by observation and General Relativity which has a substantial amount of evidence to support it. This is crazy physics land. I don't know about you, but I am not capable of doing the testing or observation on this level. Space and time are curved. We know that. It is logical to conclude that the universe, which is space-time, is also curved.

 

[Soggy]

You're assuming you know my limit of understanding.

You have been demonstrating it.

 

[Hank49]

You have been demonstrating it.

Well damn, I feel stupid now. all this time looking at the stars and wondering about where it ends, how it began, if it did....and all I had to do was ask you. Man....thanks Soggy.

 

[Soggy]

No, all you had to do was pick up a book to learn about the current state of scientific understanding on the topic. All I was suggesting is that before trying to argue against something using fallacious information...learn about it.

It's entirely possible that some or all of this will change if we discover something new that doesn't fit the model, but some things are more certain than others.

Maybe God does exist and he is just punishing me:
SE WINDS 25 TO 30 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 45 KT... INCREASING TO 30 TO 40 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 KT LATE THIS MORNING AND
AFTERNOON. SEAS 6 TO 9 FT...BUILDING TO 9 TO 14 FT THIS AFTERNOON. RAIN THIS MORNING...THEN RAIN WITH A CHANCE OF TSTMS THIS AFTERNOON. VSBY 1 TO 3 NM.

 

[Doc Intrepid]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Let us at least strive to keep the level of decorum in this thread equivalent to, say, the level of invective employed by Lynn Cheney during her interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN last night.

While I will assert that Lynn Cheney did not actually accuse Wolf of being a "sniveling *******", it was nevertheless an entertaining interview - much like that in this thread - and if we wish to keep this thread from de-evolving back to dung-slinging primates we would do well to choose our words wisely.

 

[stebzy]

Evolution? I hope this doesn't offend to many as I'm new here.

Just a few things for you to think about:


Creation Theory
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
Evolution Theory:


Origin of the universe – The Big Bang Theory.

Origin of life – The Spontaneous Generation Theory

Evolution of man – The Theory of Evolution

Evolutionists believe that the entire solar system was formed from clouds of gas and dust. If so, the Sun, planets, and the moon should be made of similar elements.
In fact:

The Sun is 98% Hydrogen or Helium

The Earth, the moon, Venus , Mercury – all contain less than 1% Hydrogen or Helium!

If solar system evolved, all planets should be spinning in the same direction.
In fact:

Pluto and Venus rotate backwards

Uranus is tipped on its side.

If the Solar system evolved, all the moons should orbit their planets in the same direction.
In fact:

At least 6 planets have backward rotating moons.

Neptune, Saturn and Jupiter have moons orbiting in both directions!


Large gaseous planets like Jupiter and Saturn

Scientists cannot explain why their gases have not dissipated into the vacuum of space in 4 billion years!



The Moon


The Moon has quite different elements to Earth. If the Earth and the Moon evolved from a big bang, it would be expected that they would have identical composition.



The Moon is getting farther from the Earth by 2 inches every year.

It used to be closer!



The Moon controls the tides. The closer the Moon, the higher the tides (Inverse Square Law)



If the Moon were 2 million years old the tides would be so high that they would drown everyone twice a day!




The Earth is slowing down.


At the equator the Earth is travelling at about 1000 miles per hour.

The Earth slows down by 1/1000 second per day.

The Earth used to spin faster!

Leap seconds are added every 18 months.

If the Earth is only 6000 years old there is no problem.

If the Earth is billions of years old – that is a major problem.

Earth would then have been spinning much faster!

Days and nights would have elapsed much faster!






Age of the Sahara desert

Only 4000 years old.
This is consistent with the Flood 4,400 years ago, as the Bible says.


Pressure of oil in oil wells

20,000 pounds per square inch.

Geologists say that rocks could not have contained that pressure for more than 10,000 years.

Oil comes from carboniferous forests and animals – it can be produced artificially.

The Earth must be less than 10,000 years old for the oil to be contained under such high pressure.

The oil was formed by compression of carboniferous forests and animals by the Flood 4,400 years ago, as the Bible says.

Mississippi River

Deposits 80,000 tons of sediment every hour at the New Orleans Delta.

Scientists say that the Delta took 30,000 years to accumulate that mud.

If the Universe is 20 million years old, the whole of Gulf of Mexico should be full of mud by now.

The oldest tree in the world

is 4,400 years old.

This is consistent with a Flood 4,400 years old, as the Bible says.


Niagara Falls

Are eroding at the rate of 4.7 feet per year.

Has only moved 7.5 miles from when it started.

If the Earth is billions of years old – why has it not eroded right back to Lake Eyrie by now?

Answer: Because the Niagara Falls started at the Flood, 4,400 years ago, as the Bible says.

Do I need to continue??

 

[Hank49]

learn about the current state of scientific understanding on the topic.
It's entirely possible that some or all of this will change if we discover something new that doesn't fit the model, but some things are more certain than others.

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You took the words right out of my mouth. You're absolutely right.
The weather sucks here today too, if that'll make you feel any better. Hank

 

[radinator]

No, there was nothing. Not even empty space. That's the tough thing to get your brain around. Empty space is part of the universe. Without the universe, there is no empty space. The big bang did not create just the *stuff* in the universe, it created the space that the stuff is contained within, too.

It may clarify this point if you keep in mind what empty space actually is.

Most people (non-quantum-physicists) would assume that empty space is...well...empty. It's just space with nothing there.

This is incorrect.

Empty space is, at the smallest level, a quantum 'foam' of particles coming into existence and vanishing again in an instant. There is a lot going on in empty space. Even in the absence of any radiation energy (light) there is a lot there. Empty space has energy (called the vacuum, or zero-point energy) that is quite a bit more than zero.

In fact, this zero point energy appears to be causing the rate of the universe expansion to accelerate. So the universe is not just expanding - it is accelerating apart.

We know this energy is there. It has been detected. This is a difficult experiment, however.

Consider this conceptually. It's like trying to detect the air when it surrounds us everywhere. It's also like when you are under water diving, and trying to answer the question "Is there something (water) around me?" Since it's everywhere, it's hard to detect directly. It is much easier to detect things that have a boundary. So at the surface of the water it is easy to point to the air-water boundary and say "There is water, and there is air!"

Well, this zero-point energy is the same thing, but it is EVERYWHERE. There is no boundary, which makes it harder to see. But it's there. It's all around us, and we exist within it.

So, "empty space" is not just empty space, there is a lot going on there. And this empty space also came from the big bang. And before that event, even this empty space didn't exist.

 

[Soggy]

Evolution? I hope this doesn't offend to many as I'm new here.

Just a few things for you to think about:
[removed foolishness]

*PLEASE* tell me that you aren't serious about this huge load of mindless BS! I really hope it's a joke so I don't have to pick apart the absolute silliness that is contained within your post. I mean, it's beyond comprehension how factually wrong everything in there is. If you are being serious, you are giving creationists a *really* bad name because it shows a complete lack of understanding of any scientific principles. I don't mean just a subtle misunderstanding, I mean a fundamental lack of knowledge about the world around us.

If you need me to, I'd be glad to pick it all apart, but I'd rather that you just say you were joking so I don't have to waste my time correcting foolishness.

Holy moly....I thought I had seen it all. I mean, really...what you posted is incredibly bad. Awful. Ridiculous. Ludicrous. I think we just went to plaid, in fact.

 

[Soggy]

Thanks radinator...I learned something and I'm glad I was at least on the right track.