CPR First Aid and O2 provider

[flightmedic_sd]

Ok guys and gals i got a question. The way i read the prerequisites for PADI Rescue Diver you have to have CPR & First Aid. Then you may take the Emergency O2 provider class. I already have CPR and due to my profession, I'm way past the first aid level (NREMTP). And providing oxygen is a skill that i mastered years ago. Not bragging folks, but being a medic is the career i chose. So do i have to take these classes? Is there such a thing as being grandfathered in? Can someone please steer me in the right direction?

 

[rongoodman]

When I did my PADI Rescue course a couple of years back, my AHA CPR and NYS paramedic cards were accepted without comment. I would just ask your instructor, and if he balks, than contact PADI.

 

[CalgaryDF]

It sounds like you already have the CPR and First Aid requirement. The oxygen provider class is separate from Rescue, though part of the course covers oxygen administration. There isn't a requirement to have O2 before taking Rescue, only CPR and First aid and they can be any valid course.

 

[SDAnderson]

EMT-B and up meets the requirements. If the shop gives you any flack, contact PADI directly.

 

[GrandCanyonDiver]

I looked at that, too. I'm also an NREMT, and all the PADI literature plugs DAN like crazy, but then in rescue diver secion of my training log, it said "or other CPR/First Aid certification" in reeeeeaaaly small type. The instructor for my Open Water class said that she thinks I've probably got that covered.

 

[muddiver]

Even though you are a emergency medical miracle worker it would probably do you good to go through one of the DAN courses like the Diving First Aid for Professional Divers or the Diving Medical Technician course. There are a few things you can learn about diving emergency management that is or will not be covered in any first aid/CPR class. There were things that I learned that the EMT training I went through did not cover.

 

[GrandCanyonDiver]

Even though you are a emergency medical miracle worker it would probably do you good to go through one of the DAN courses like the Diving First Aid for Professional Divers or the Diving Medical Technician course.

Don't know if this is directed at me or flightmedic_sd but your apparent supposition that I think I'm better than DAN is inaccurate. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that an EMT means you know everything there is to know. I was merely pointing out that the PADI literature makes it seem like the only way to Rescue Diver is through the DAN first aid and CPR courses, but that wasn't necessarily the case. The point is that if you hold an EMT cert and an American Heart Association Healthcare provider CPR card, you already know how to use an Automated External Debrillator and perform CPR and basic first aid and those skills are redundant. Anything else related to diving is a different ballgame. I'm actually intrigued by your mention of a diving medical technician course. I'm going to look into it. My tendency is to want to learn more, not rest on my laurels. So thanks for bringing that to my attention.

 

[explorer08]

Sometimes it's helpfull just to have a look into the standards. :blinking:

PADI Instructor Manual 2010, General Standards and Procedures, Prerequisite Certifications, Qualifiying Certification Description, Page 20:
6. EFR Primary Care — proof of current CPR training.
7. EFR Secondary Care — proof of current first aid training.

 

[muddiver]

Don't know if this is directed at me or flightmedic_sd but your apparent supposition that I think I'm better than DAN is inaccurate. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that an EMT means you know everything there is to know. I was merely pointing out that the PADI literature makes it seem like the only way to Rescue Diver is through the DAN first aid and CPR courses, but that wasn't necessarily the case. The point is that if you hold an EMT cert and an American Heart Association Healthcare provider CPR card, you already know how to use an Automated External Debrillator and perform CPR and basic first aid and those skills are redundant. Anything else related to diving is a different ballgame. I'm actually intrigued by your mention of a diving medical technician course. I'm going to look into it. My tendency is to want to learn more, not rest on my laurels. So thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Interesting, I would expect PADI material would tout the Emergency First Response (EFR) program before DAN.

I like the DAN courses because they are modular and more compact as well as being more informative.

Here is a link to the DAN DMT information: DAN Divers Alert Network : Training & Education : Dive Medical Technician (DMT)

DAN now also offers a combined First Aid/CPR course that is probably geared more towards diving accidents: DAN Divers Alert Network : Training & Education : Basic Life and First Aid

 

[GrandCanyonDiver]

Sometimes it's helpfull just to have a look into the standards. :blinking:

Right you are. It may very well be EFR in the PADI manual, not DAN. But I haven't been doing this long and I already picked up DAN from somewhere, so they are doing a good job letting new divers know they exist.

I realize I'm new and have a lot to learn, so that's a given. I was just trying to point out that just because you have someone who is an EMT in "real life," that doesn't mean that they think they know everything automatically. Of course you'll always get those that do, but for example, after reading muddiver's original post, I discovered that DAN has a three-level course on diving medicine for divers that looks pretty interesting, as well as a diving emergency specialist recognition for divers who have demonstrated a commitment to learning about diving safety. I think that is really cool, and despite my initial training will undoubtedly be taking some of their courses throughout my diving career.

I'm not pretending to be an expert in dive medicine because I'm an EMT any more than I'm claiming to be an expert diver b/c I can swim. I hope to log a lot more safe dives in my lifetime, and I want to be a good buddy. I already figured out from my first few dives after open water that diver attitudes toward safety vary greatly, and I never want to be "that guy" who leads my buddy into an unsafe situation. I'll do whatever I need to do to prevent that from happening.