Covid testing in Cozumel
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My friend here on the island is a doctor and has had it three times.
I thought doctors were first in line to be vaccinated?
CDC can tell you about more than 10,000 people who were vaccinated and still got covid. They were getting so many reports they decided to quit counting them all and only count the cases of hospitalization and death.
"A total of 10,262 SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections had been reported from 46 U.S. states and territories as of April 30, 2021."
"the number of reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases is likely a substantial undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons"
COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections Reported to CDC ...
No need to tell me that recovered protection isn't absolute. I never said it was. Neither is vaccinated protection. Show me that recovered are less protected than vaccinated.
She was and by the time they were available she had already gotten cover three times.
You would think so wouldn't you? But not in Cozumel. Or MX in general I guess. Docs, nurses, etc get it by age only. No special consideration for them.
Like everything, science marched on. Yes, there are breakthrough infections. Yes, there are people who had COVID who get it again. They are also studying if some of the breakthrough cases are so weak as to not have enough nasal virus to be effective spreaders.
Yes, they just released a new study that says, yes some people post COVID lose the floating around antibodies. However, they dug bone marrow out of a bunch of them and found it was ready to respond to COVID so likely they still had some protection. (What I found most fascinating in that study was the number of study volunteers that came back for the second bone marrow extraction was a lot less. So the study also proved the people that had a bone marrow extraction are likely to not want a second one....)
And they see that the vaccine does in fact generate a stronger response with higher antibody production so they postulate it might be better than the infection. Also they are working on studies that seem to show that the covid vax might be helping with long covid symptoms.
And the whole booster shot thing? I saw financial reporting on that that other day. Besides weeping about buying AZ and Phizer and NOT Moderna or Biotech, I heard the analysts saying that the market is not pricing in booster in the stocks for like at least 2 years if at all. And money is usually right.
The things they are learning is so interesting, but I don't think anyone can definitively say anything. There are a lot of good indications, but you have to be willing to roll with the science.
And getting down to brass tacks, don't you just figure the end game will probably be enough people are vaccinated or recovered to slow the spread and reduce the numbers to the point that COVID poses no threat to overwhelm anyone's health care system? At that point everyone who wants a vaccine already probably has it. And at that point, no one will care so much any more if you want to risk getting it and dying and whatnot. We are just crossing to that point. The US is pretty close to there, I think.
The State of Quintana Roo, not so much yet. There are starting vax for 40-49 directly. However, I think they are going through that point the US did where old people got the shot and younger people start to get lax and spread it a bunch. The State is threatening a red lock down, restricting businesses to like 15% capacity if people don't get their acts together. The election is over, so now there is more freedom to act. I feel like the Governor is doing a lot of threatening, because he REALLY doesn't want to do that to the economy. Look at Cozumel. They were doing pretty well, but now cases are really jumping. Will that fire continue to grow or will the vaccination and prior infections just make it a limited pop in cases?
Whatever, we are feeling pretty safe with the vaccine on board, so we will be back on the island in just about a week.
And the nose swab? Jeez, rub some dirt on it and move on. It was a little annoying but not that bad. Maybe pre-treat with margarita or something first.
Well, trot it on out. I have no idea how immunity acquired through vaccination compares to that from infection with respect to specificity to a particular strain of COVID-19. I think that we can agree that there are a lot of unknowns, so why not get vaccinated even if you have tested positive at some point? What's the down side?
We double booked Quintana Roo and Florida several weeks ago for end of month, just in case Quintana Roo couldn’t get their act together. I’m glad we did as we’ve gone to plan B. Everybody is vaccinated, so we weren’t worried from a health standpoint, but between not having anything in case Quintana Roo went red, or having a lot of work commitments without room for chance positive and two week quarantine, we bailed out. Next time.
A recent study of subjects recovered from SARS 17 years ago showed strong T-cells in bone marrow, suggesting the protection may be lifetime. And while the vaccine produces more antibodies it only generates them in response to the spike protein not an array of virus characteristics and it is not known yet whether it produces strong T-cells.
But whether one is slightly better than the other is not really the point. If there is a difference it is marginal. The data clearly shows that both have strong protection levels and mild symptoms on breakthrough cases. My beef is how we are divided into the vaccinated or the not vaccinated, and from that presumed protected and responsible or unprotected and irresponsible. My original point still stands - if the vaccinated are excepted from certain protective protocols then so should the recovered.
The recovered have a higher rate of complications from vaccination and tend to have stronger side effects. Many experts are now saying the recovered should only get one dose.
If you've been vaccinated, why not get vaccinated again? Had the Moderna? Go get the Pfizer and the JJ too. What's the downside?
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