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Hi, my name is John, and I am new to the forums. My girlfriend and I are thinking about taking up diving, and I am trying to get a little information before I even call the guy to setup a time to get enrolled in a class. Is there a definitive site on the net that can explain every aspect of the gear, and what each device is used for? Like what is a octopus used for? I have been seeing Nitrox on alot of diving websites. What is Nitrox? What other oxygen mixtures can you use for diving? One of the main questions I have is; who can refill the tanks so that we can dive in our local lake/rivers? Can any company that provides air blends(nitrogen, oxygen) to hospitals fill tanks? If I have to drive 90 miles (closest Dive Shop) to refill my tanks, this could be a problem. I am sure I have a million and one more questions, but these are just some basic questions, maybe someone could point to place where I can read up on it. Thanks in advance.
John
 
Hi John,

jdr_:
Is there a definitive site on the net that can explain every aspect of the gear, and what each device is used for?

I don't know if there's a definitive site but your training will tell you all this. The book that is included with the PADI open water course, for example, describes this stuff.

Like what is a octopus used for?

An octo is an alternate regulator that's available if your buddy runs out of air.

I have been seeing Nitrox on alot of diving websites. What is Nitrox? What other oxygen mixtures can you use for diving?

Nitrox is a mixture of air and additional oxygen. The benefits are (arguably) that you don't get bent as easily, can stay down longer, stay warmer, and don't get as tired. The downsides are that you have to worry about situations that cause you to have too much oxygen, convulsing, and drowning. Don't worry about this right now; you need an extra certification to use nitrox.

One of the main questions I have is; who can refill the tanks so that we can dive in our local lake/rivers? Can any company that provides air blends(nitrogen, oxygen) to hospitals fill tanks? If I have to drive 90 miles (closest Dive Shop) to refill my tanks, this could be a problem.

Having someone who doesn't understand the issues of SCUBA filling my tanks gives me the heeby jeebies. I don't think you're supposed to do this -- I know that I wouldn't do it.

I am sure I have a million and one more questions, but these are just some basic questions, maybe someone could point to place where I can read up on it.

I think you've found the place. Welcome aboard!
 
Hi john,
I'm a new diver but I can try to answer some of you question as best I can.

First, as far as I online guide, it might require a little searching, but it shouldn't be to hard to find. Just so you know all of that infomation is the very make-up of the open-water course. It will take you step by step through all of the gear necssary, it's use and proper care.

I can begin to answer some of the questions you asked here such as what is an octo"
An "octopus" or "safe second" is a term for an additional second stage regulator(the part you breath through). It is an additiional magin of safety for you and your dive buddy. It is attached to your "BC" Buoyancy compensator, which is a vest with air bladders. This bladders are inflatable, which will allow you to float in the water at whatever depth you wish. This works in combination with a wieght system to hepl you achive " neutral buoyancy" ie not sinking or floating upwards.

Nitrox is a term used to describe as a mixture of gases in your tank that is of a ratio
of 22% oxygen or higher. Normal room air is at a ratio of 21% oxygen and 79% nitrogen, which is what you have when standered "air".
The two most commonly used mixtures are "enriched air nitrogen 32" EAN32 and EAN 36. This means that the ratio in the mixture is either 32 or 36% Oxygen and the rest is nitrogen. The advantages of using nitrox are longer no-decompression limits( time spent at depth without needing to make a deconpression stop) shorter surface intervals ( time spent at suface off-gasing) and longer repeditive dives. The limitations of nitrox include additional training, it may require specical equipment purchases and nitro fills may cost more.

As far as what other gases that can be used for diving, there are several, but it definitely falls in to the technicial dive area and not recerational. From the 1993 navy dive manual vol 1 sec 2-5 gaese used in diving, it has a large list of other types of gases. Helium/oxygen is one still used today I believe. Hydrogen was expirmented with because of it similarity to helium, but the hazards of it's use lead to little more than that. Neon is another inert gas expirmented with, becuase of it's lack of narcotic properties that nitrogen poesses at certain depths. It also lack the speech distortion that helium causes, thus making it the subject of extensive expirmentation.

As to who can fill your tanks. That depend on your location relitive to a dive shop. It might be theortically possible to have dive tanks filled by a hospital air supply company. The problem with that is if they have the appropriate filling station and tools/connecting equipment neacssary. and they might not be willing to fill a container that is not their own. I would certainly ask. Another option is..although very expensive..is to purchase a fill staion of your own. These are monstorously expensive with prices starting at 2,500 and upwards of 10,000$. It possible to find browse places like ebay and the web for one of these fill stations. The only off set to this expence is that if you have to drive 90 miles to get an air fill, so would anyone else in your area. I would start searching for any local dive clubs and/or forums and see where they go. If they also have to go that far, the cost of buying a fill station might be off set by being the only guy in the area with one. supply and demand.
I think what you should do is decide why you want to begin scuba and how far do you want to go in it. If you're going to make four or five trips a year, buying a fill station is not for you. If you are going to use the certification while on vaction, there should'nt be any problem finding a dive shop in that area where you could rent everything you need. It really depends how often you plan to use or certification.

Well I hope I've given you some useful answers, I would highly recommend getting into scuba, I have only been certified for about three weeks and have totally jumped in head first. My nitrox class is next week and from there who knows. It is really one of the most enjoyable things I have done. Do not let youself be intimidated by technical term or insider jargon, pretty soon it will just be old news. Good luck with the class.

Be safe and happy diving.
sungod357
 
Jdr
I would not worry about getting tanks filled at this point. It is not that complicated, and there are small semi-portable compressors available.

Where are you thinking of getting trained, 90 mile drive each way for classes is going to be a bit of a drag.

It is the instructor that makes the biggest difference not the agency. A good instructor will ensure that he explains what all the equipment is used for and how to look after it.
Don't be persuaded to buy anything more than mask fins and snorkel before you have completed your OW cource. Some places will try and sell you full gear before you know whether it is suitable or what you want.

Have fun, it is a fantastic sport.
 
Hi John,

You sound like me, you want to know the information before you take the course. There are some good book out there. Dennis Graver is a good author of some complete handbooks, see bookstores or Amazon. To be honest ScubaBoard has been my single biggest source of information. Much about scuba has differing viewpoints, options and features and you see it all hashed out here and in the gear forums. Think of it as moot court for a diver.

If there is diving near where you are then there are divers. Try to start networking with them. Who did they use for instruction and where do they get air fills. There may be a quiet little compressor club you can join or a fire department may be funding it's benevolent fund by selling air fills to divers. Some have the compressors for their air packs, odds are they are not driving 90 miles to get them filled.

As for mixed gasses they are not of immediate concern however you can begin using nitrox with a minor class shortly after being open water certified. Odds are your diving and air usage will not justify nitrox for a while but that's another story. Contrary to what you see in the media the vast majority of recreational diving is done with plain old air. When you read that the divers bottle was still 1/2 full of oxygen you are reading a poorly researched story.

Do your homework, get thorough "local" instruction and get you and your girlfriend off to a good start in the wonderful sport.

Pete
 
John, besides your "local" dive shop there may be an independent Instructor (or two) in your area, maybe a few on this board. Let us know where you are and see what type of responses you get. As others have said, your Instructor will review the equipment and its safe operation; diving techniques; the 'what' and 'why' of diving. If you still want to track "stuff" down - SB is an excellent place to do it, also your library prob. have a few books on diving.

Just remember to SCUBA, you must be certified, this is not a do it yourself sport. To become certified you will need course work and pass a test, pool (confined water) work - this is where you put into practice the lessons learned in class, and then your open water dives under the supervision of your Instructor testing your skills.

Now, there are various ways to do all of this - home study (SSI has an excellent program - you study at home, on line, then do your pool work and dives with an Instructor). Another possibility - after course and pool work you can go on vacation with a Universal Referral from your Instructor and do your dives on some exotic island! Or you could just go on vacation - take the whole course and get certified. However, you will be certified to dive under conditions that you have taken your training in. To dive safely in rivers - you'll need more training.

The above possibilities are just those possibilities. There is a thousand ways (well it seems like it is that many!) to do SCUBA training. My recommendation is to get the best training you can. There are a lot of threads on SB about what to look for in your training. There are a lot of people that just want to dive warm water with 200' vis on a once a year vacation, and that's OK. But, If you are trained in waters that are local to you will dive more often. The more you dive, the better you become. Good luck!
 
Here's the best advice I've seen of the board for a new diver to be: Link
 
Hi John - welcome to the scuba board. I am a newly certified diver and I can relate to how you feel. Here are some links that I added to my favorites that you might find helpful:

http://www.thescubaguide.com/introduction/
http://www.thescubaguide.com/gear/
http://www.thescubaguide.com/certification/
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache...ulator+2006+reviews&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=27

I found these very useful. I did not think that I would have be a passionate about diving as my dive buddy and after my OW certification I was hooked. The more confidence you gain the more you want to learn. It is so much fun - enjoy!

-amadeus
 
welcome to the sb... The kind of questions you are having are the kind of things that are answered in the OW class ... You can check some of the hardware makers sites, but they generally are more advanced in their descriptions. Slide by a dive shop and pick up a copy of dive training they go over some of these kind of things, but are generally more advanced. As amadeus mentions above, there are some stuff about that here on scuba board ... you can also just talk to the people at your LDS ... if they do not have time to talk to you ... then i would find a better place to do the training.
 

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