Classroom work for AOW Cert?

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I'm going for my NAUI AOW cert in 2 weeks. Is there any book work, reading, etc for this certification? My LDS says no. We'll jump in and do 6 dives and the instructor will evaluate me (navigation, deep, night, search, learn to shoot some bags). LDS says the focus is on learning to multi-task, not class room stuff.

Based on a thread I just read I get the sense that some of you did class work for the AOW.

I'd actually like to do some class work simply b/c I did my OW cert in 1998. I did 4 dives that year. I didn't dive again until this year. The scuba bug bit me pretty good this year. I've managed to log 14 more dives and have found a regular dive buddy.

So...what did you do in your AOW class?
 
we had clasroom work for our navigation specialty (PADI), including walking with
a compass on the parking lot and trying to get the legs of a triangle

hmmm... i think we spent one afternoon going over what to expect, etc., but there
really wasn't much "work," involved, more like a long "dive briefing".

then we went out and dove the next two days.
 
Matt19380:
I'm going for my NAUI AOW cert in 2 weeks. Is there any book work, reading, etc for this certification? My LDS says no. We'll jump in and do 6 dives and the instructor will evaluate me (navigation, deep, night, search, learn to shoot some bags). LDS says the focus is on learning to multi-task, not class room stuff.

Based on a thread I just read I get the sense that some of you did class work for the AOW.

I'd actually like to do some class work simply b/c I did my OW cert in 1998. I did 4 dives that year. I didn't dive again until this year. The scuba bug bit me pretty good this year. I've managed to log 14 more dives and have found a regular dive buddy.

So...what did you do in your AOW class?
Sounds like you're getting a cheap course.

Technically, you can get away with just doing detailed briefings that describe activities like navigation, search and recovery, etc. NAUI standards estimate that there should be about six hours of "academic" work involved in those briefings ... but that's how people end up coming through AOW feeling like they didn't learn anything, because on-site academics rarely actually teach you anything.

My advice ... if the LDS is just teaching to the "minimum requirements", don't waste your money. Either find a shop that'll actually teach you something about diving skills or just go diving and forget the class.

There is a student handbook that comes with the class, and a 50-question "true or false" exam, but to my concern it's a pretty no-brainer test.

Tell ya what ... PM me your e-mail address. I wrote some material that I teach my AOW students. I'll send it to you. It involves skills that it sounds like your LDS isn't going to bother trying to teach you ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Bob,

Send them to me too if you would.

Thanks,

-P
 
Matt19380:
So...what did you do in your AOW class?

PADI Advanced Open Water is really nothing more than building *a little* more diving experience by exposing an OW diver to other types of diving conditions, like for example deep diving, altitude diving, drift diving, boat diving etc. These are of course not the only ones but it serves to demonstrate my point. The navigation part really adds the beginnings of a skill that comes in handy for most divers as they become more confident and less focussed on whether they are doing it all right and more aware of their newly discovered underwater environment by forcing them to concentrate a little more now that they can dive on finding their way around their diving environment.

All of these dives on the AOW, it should be said, serve as *introductory glimpses* into skills that could be more deeply explored and developed by completing a specialty course in that particular skill of interest to the diver. So a deep diving specialty course would focus solely on deep diving and because the AOW student has already been exposed a little to the idea that nitrogen narcosis is a factor to consider in dives generaly deeper than 60ft in his/her AOW course, the specialty course then serves to build on that knowledge, focus and to specialize only on that skill.

The Advanced course is really a hands on course that serves to get people to learn about diving by doing the diving. It's like learning to ride the bike by getting on and riding it. This serves to show the OW diver that there is more to diving than just OW's how to descend or ascend properly, how to check your saturation pressure groups with dive tables, how to clear one's mask, or how to deal with an out of air emergency etc; it allows the OW diver to now choose which of these avenues of personal interest he/she fancies to explore further in later specialty courses and learn more of what they are interested in.

For PADI certifications the deep and underwater navigation are compulsory AOW dives since they are the two most likely to be encountered/needed by all divers and since deep diving introduces the concepts of nitrogen narcosis, which in itself is a relatively simple but very important concept to address in deep diving.

Classroom work then for AOW takes on the the form of only addressing what little theoretical knowledge there needs to be explained and understood by the students to successfully complete the "themed" dives for the certification in practioce. The real learning comes through diving the dives themselves. An underwater naturalist dive might for example include the exercise for my students to learn more about what characteristics they need to take note of if they encounter a new fish species they have never seen before so that they can go find out more about it later when they have completed the dive. This way they get to dive another dive for the diving experience itself, and also start learning about marine animals themselves, and hopefully find an interest in learning more about each wonderful creature we so often take for granted.

I can only speak from my experience in the PADI context, but I'd guess the other certifying agencies would pretty much look at things the same way?:coffee:
 
I never learned anything, past bookwork, in my PADI classes. My instructors were great and I had a really good time with them, but I left OW and AOW feeling like I hadn't really learned anything significant. "Put this in your mouth, don't stop breathing!" was the gist of it. I'll be taking a GUE fundes class soon, which I'm really excited for, that I hope can fill in the gaps. Got to get started somewhere small and simple anyhow I guess though.
 
Small and simple! "Fill in the gaps"... LOL.

Where are you going to take Fundies? Hopefully, you're coming to the mainland.
 
ReefMongoose:
PADI Advanced Open Water is really nothing more than building *a little* more diving experience by exposing an OW diver to other types of diving conditions, like for example deep diving, altitude diving, drift diving, boat diving etc. These are of course not the only ones but it serves to demonstrate my point. The navigation part really adds the beginnings of a skill that comes in handy for most divers as they become more confident and less focussed on whether they are doing it all right and more aware of their newly discovered underwater environment by forcing them to concentrate a little more now that they can dive on finding their way around their diving environment.

All of these dives on the AOW, it should be said, serve as *introductory glimpses* into skills that could be more deeply explored and developed by completing a specialty course in that particular skill of interest to the diver. So a deep diving specialty course would focus solely on deep diving and because the AOW student has already been exposed a little to the idea that nitrogen narcosis is a factor to consider in dives generaly deeper than 60ft in his/her AOW course, the specialty course then serves to build on that knowledge, focus and to specialize only on that skill.

The Advanced course is really a hands on course that serves to get people to learn about diving by doing the diving. It's like learning to ride the bike by getting on and riding it. This serves to show the OW diver that there is more to diving than just OW's how to descend or ascend properly, how to check your saturation pressure groups with dive tables, how to clear one's mask, or how to deal with an out of air emergency etc; it allows the OW diver to now choose which of these avenues of personal interest he/she fancies to explore further in later specialty courses and learn more of what they are interested in.

For PADI certifications the deep and underwater navigation are compulsory AOW dives since they are the two most likely to be encountered/needed by all divers and since deep diving introduces the concepts of nitrogen narcosis, which in itself is a relatively simple but very important concept to address in deep diving.

Classroom work then for AOW takes on the the form of only addressing what little theoretical knowledge there needs to be explained and understood by the students to successfully complete the "themed" dives for the certification in practioce. The real learning comes through diving the dives themselves. An underwater naturalist dive might for example include the exercise for my students to learn more about what characteristics they need to take note of if they encounter a new fish species they have never seen before so that they can go find out more about it later when they have completed the dive. This way they get to dive another dive for the diving experience itself, and also start learning about marine animals themselves, and hopefully find an interest in learning more about each wonderful creature we so often take for granted.

I can only speak from my experience in the PADI context, but I'd guess the other certifying agencies would pretty much look at things the same way?:coffee:
Then there are those instructors who believe that Advanced Open Water is a perfect place to teach a reasonably new diver some real skills.

I can think of several instructors who post here regularly who fit in that category.

AOW is where they take you deep ... wouldn't it be a nice idea to have a clue about gas management before going there? After all, a deep dive is like driving across a desert where your next gas station is maybe 150 miles away. Would you go without knowing how much gas your tank holds and how many miles per gallon your car gets?

AOW is where they supposedly teach you underwater navigation ... wouldn't it be great if they could teach you something other than how to read a compass? After all, when you learned to drive, did they only teach you how to turn the steering wheel?

AOW should be where you learn the "how" and "why" behind all the cool stuff they told you in OW, but never bothered really explaining ... like "end the dive with 500 psi" ... like "'always dive with a buddy" ... like "never hold your breath" ... like "ascend at a maximum rate of 30 feet per minute" ... like "plan your dive and dive your plan". These are nice mantras, but if a diver doesn't understand why they're important, they're meaningless.

AOW should be where you start learning how to really be a self-sufficient diver. That means learning more than you need to follow a divemaster on a deep dive in the Caribbean and trust that he's competent enough to get you back to the surface uninjured.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
PerroneFord:
Small and simple! "Fill in the gaps"... LOL.

Where are you going to take Fundies? Hopefully, you're coming to the mainland.

Er, I guess I should correct myself when I said small and simple I meant in reference to PADI OW! Fundes is a different animal! Although I do have many gaps to fill...

FifthD has a Fundes class coming up in August, which is when I'll be home.
 
TheFoggyMask:
Er, I guess I should correct myself when I said small and simple I meant in reference to PADI OW! Fundes is a different animal! Although I do have many gaps to fill...

FifthD has a Fundes class coming up in August, which is when I'll be home.
Steve's an awesome instructor ... you should learn a lot.

Drop me a line when you're in town ... perhaps we can hook up for a dive ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 

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