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A client has purchased a new cylinder made in China, make that I have not seen before.
Trying to unravel the markings and this is what I have established so far.
Would someone help decipher the missing bits.
Secondly I am uncertain of the match between ISO7866 and GB/T11640, any thoughts.
 

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A client has purchased a new cylinder made in China, make that I have not seen before.
Trying to unravel the markings and this is what I have established so far.
Would someone help decipher the missing bits.
Secondly I am uncertain of the match between ISO7866 and GB/T11640, any thoughts.
March 2021 is new?

ISO7866 is legit which is why it's technically approved here in the States. BUT... I sometimes question if they are actually building to that standard or just stamping stuff.
 
BUT... I sometimes question if they are actually building to that standard or just stamping stuff.

That’s always the problem with buying things made in China sold by a Chinese company. Really, that’s always the problem buying things made in China (and elsewhere, including the US), but at least with a US company there is hopefully somebody doing quality assurance of the items that has a little more, shall we say, legally enforceable liability and therefore lower tolerance for fraudulent parts.

The other part that worries me is that 6061 and 6351 aluminum are both allowed. 6351 is the “bad” alloy that suffers from sustained load cracking. You would hope they’re not using 6351, but there’s just no way to know. I know the DOT 3AL standard allows 6351 as well, but I also know that none of the American suppliers are using it. I have no idea what the Chinese might be using, and would be reluctant to believe just their say so.

There’s a certain amount of logic that says if the tanks pass Hydro then they are fine for our application. And that would be fine if the condition of the tanks couldn’t change on their own over time. The problem is, you can’t be certain of that because you can’t be certain of the aluminum alloy.

The tricky part to me, besides getting every random scuba shop to fill a tank it doesn’t have DOT markings, is getting these things hydroed. The ISO standard only requires a requalification every 10 years, which is nice. But a quick google didn’t show me places offering to perform that requalification test. I’m sure they exist. But that’s now an awful lot of headaches.

I realize that the OP is asking about something that has already happened, but wow: those Chinese tanks would have to be noticeably cheaper than what I could get used tanks for, and I’m certain they weren’t. Again, a quick Google shows those available on Alibaba for $85 a tank, minimum order 10 and does not include shipping, which is probably fairly substantial. You can get it down to $75 a tank if you order 100. But unless those tanks were never leaving my facility, I can’t imagine it would be very straightforward to own those tanks.

I am, however, interested to see what other details the community here can figure out. :-)
 
The OP is in South Africa so I have no idea about the hydro requirements or on the ground expectations there (if any)
 
The other part that worries me is that 6061 and 6351 aluminum are both allowed. 6351 is the “bad” alloy that suffers from sustained load cracking. You would hope they’re not using 6351, but there’s just no way to know. I know the DOT 3AL standard allows 6351 as well, but I also know that none of the American suppliers are using it. I have no idea what the Chinese might be using, and would be reluctant to believe just their say so.
6351 is still technically allowed under the DOT standard too. Much to my personal disappointment. I'm sure someone parroting the PSI line about how only 8 of those cylinders have exploded or whatever. They have been repeating that exact same statistic for nearly 20 years now :/
 
The OP is in South Africa so I have no idea about the hydro requirements or on the ground expectations there (if any)

In South Africa BS and ISO are accepted. Not sure about others.
 
I guess some of the comments made here are somewhat fair. For example, I have had cases in the past where cylinders were stamped with information that was blatantly untrue. But one should not forget that China has rapidly caught up with the west and that the quality in their manufacturing has drastically improved.
Case in point: The Chinese standard GB-11640-2021, which is for seamless aluminium cylinders, specifically does not allow 6351-T6 aluminium anymore and that since 2009 I believe. 6061-T6 is the only allowed alloy. The standard is comparable to BS-5045 for example.

I believe that some of the negative comments here stem from past experiences and a bad reputation is certainly hard to lose. Nevertheless, we either have reached or approaching the point of equally well produced cylinders very quickly. Unfortunately metallurgy is a hard subject and not easily copied.
 
The OP is in South Africa so I have no idea about the hydro requirements or on the ground expectations there (if any)

I should have checked that. And that makes buying Chinese tanks a lot more understandable. Sorry for my American myopia. :-)

6351 is still technically allowed under the DOT standard too. Much to my personal disappointment.

I’m not certain, but that might have more to do with covering the tanks that have already been made than expecting new tanks to be made that way.
 
I believe that some of the negative comments here stem from past experiences and a bad reputation is certainly hard to lose.
Trust: Hard to develop, easy to lose
 
[...]I’m not certain, but that might have more to do with covering the tanks that have already been made than expecting new tanks to be made that way.
The CFR 49 Part 178 also only allows manufacture of 6061 aluminium with a T6 temper.

§ 178.46 Specification 3AL seamless aluminum cylinders
(4)The material must be of uniform quality. Only the following heat treatable aluminum alloys in table 1
and 2 are permitted as follows:
Table 1—Heat or Cast Analysis for Aluminum; Similar to “Aluminum Association”1 Alloy 6061
Table 2—Mechanical Property Limits (Only includes 6061-T6)
 

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