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Sam A:
I am doing a project on why children shouldn't scuba dive, are there any sites or anything that you can reccommend for me. I would really like some research on the topic if possible.

Hi
Interesting topic. Curious about how your query is phrased. The post almost sounds likek this is a topic you may not know a lot about initially, but have decided against it, and would like to find substantiation for that position.

Might be interesting to hear how it all came up...Or not, if you don't feel inclined.

JAG
 
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I'm not disputing that diving would open a new world to the child & give him an activity.

By "...the very real medical & developmental issues involved" I mean the physical and psychological readiness of children to handle scuba without danger to their health, growth & well being.

For example, do you see scuba as posing possible threats given what is known about eustachian tube development, heat regulation, bone growth & abstraction ability in children?

What do you make of the published articles by Drs. Taylor & Vikingo hot linked in my initial post (#6) above?

Thank you,

DocVikingo
 
DocVikingo:
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I'm not disputing that diving would open a new world to the child & give him an activity.

By "...the very real medical & developmental issues involved" I mean the physical and psychological readiness of children to handle scuba without danger to their health, growth & well being.

For example, do you see scuba as posing possible threats given what is known about eustachian tube development, heat regulation, bone growth & abstraction ability in children?

What do you make of the published articles by Drs. Taylor & Vikingo hot linked in my initial post (#6) above?

Thank you,

DocVikingo

OK now you made yourself clear I thought when you where saying developmental issues you where talking of the mind and not the body.

There are a couple of points I would like to addressee in that site.

The first on being "Traits that are important-good judgment, responsibility, attention to detail and respect for rules are traits that may be slow to develop in some teens." OK by no mean or stretch of the mind am i saying saying throw a kid in the water how can not mentally handle it. any parent who just lets there kid go diving with out even think about how is he/or she going to react to this is nuts, but i do think that if the child show the treats that would be good in diving and has the maturity level to do they should be allowed to.

The next point I would like to addressee is "They must be able to understand the physics and biology involved with an ability to understand the dangers without being frightened," now what I would like to say about this part is that if the child shows the above treats listed them calm sit them down and explain the risks of diving if they have to above traits there should be no problem.

The next one is "Scuba training should be a completely inappropriate activity for a young person unless the interest in diving comes from a strong personal interest." OK this one I have a problem with because what it is saying is it is OK for a kid to dive it he/she is strongly interested in dive, but not OK for a kid who wants to try it out to see if he likes it. I have a problem with this because most people develop a strong intrust for something once they have tried it.

The next point would be "Growth plates," the whole argument in there is based on a "might" and has noting sold to stand on to back it up. Run some test and them start saying thing like that.

the last part i would like to bring up is "I strongly recommend that children take lessons with other teens-not in a mixed class with adults; and, that the instructor be knowledgeable about teens, and have a supportive style without the "macho" attitude that some instructors exhibit, often humiliating members of the class." i do not support this idea at all for the reason that teens and adults in the same class is a good idea. I think this because the adults can teach the teens how to be a little bit more Mature, and some times the teen can even show the adults a little something or to.

I hope that is a better post for you then the last two. :bravo:
 
I have some problems with several of your positions:

1. "The next point would be 'Growth plates,' the whole argument in there is based on a 'might' and has noting sold to stand on to back it up. Run some test and them start saying thing like that."

Well known cautions about diving while pregnant, while afflicted with all manner of medical conditions, while taking all manner of medications or in proximity to certain types of exercise, not flying for certain periods of time following a multiple dive schedule and myriad other guidelines to safe scuba are based on as yet untested "mights." It is very difficult to "test" these, both for logistical (e.g., where are the subjects going to come from, how will the studies be funded) & for ethical reasons (e.g., exposing an experimental group of children with developing epiphysial plates to increased atmospheric pressure).

Should we simply ignore all of these until we have solid evidence demonstrating whether they are in fact benign or pernicious? Or, should we err on the side of caution?

2. "The next point I would like to addressee is "They must be able to understand the physics and biology involved with an ability to understand the dangers without being frightened," now what I would like to say about this part is that if the child shows the above treats listed them calm sit them down and explain the risks of diving if they have to above traits there should be no problem."

I do not find this compelling. Simply because a child manifests judgment, responsibility, attention to detail and respect for rules appropriate to his or her age doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be able to understand the physics & biology involved in scuba. Don't confuse what are largely behavioral traits with cognitive wherewithal.

3. "The next one is 'Scuba training should be a completely inappropriate activity for a young person unless the interest in diving comes from a strong personal interest.' OK this one I have a problem with because what it is saying is it is OK for a kid to dive it he/she is strongly interested in dive, but not OK for a kid who wants to try it out to see if he likes it. I have a problem with this because most people develop a strong intrust for something once they have tried it."

This was not my construction of the thrust of such statements. It is not primarily a matter of strong v cursory interest. If you'll go back & read the original material again, you'll find accompanying remarks such as, "Under no circumstances should an unwilling child be coerced into scuba." What the points made by Drs. Taylor & Vikingo seem to imply is that it is important that the child's interest in scuba, at whatever level of intensity, primarily be his or her own rather than the result of external influences like parental or peer pressure.

In closing, one thing we can agree upon:

Whomever "Marian Life" may be, I'm sure that she'd appreciate being saved.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
Frank Kohler, just curious. Do you have any kids?
 
glbirch:
Frank Kohler, just curious. Do you have any kids?
No I do not and I can begin to understand how a parent cares for his or her own kids, but I kind of can because of my sisters kid who I do love and watch after.

As in to a replay to what the good DocVikingo said.

first"Well known cautions about diving while pregnant, while afflicted with all manner of medical conditions, while taking all manner of medications or in proximity to certain types of exercise, not flying for certain periods of time following a multiple dive schedule and myriad other guidelines to safe scuba are based on as yet untested "mights." It is very difficult to "test" these, both for logistical (e.g., where are the subjects going to come from, how will the studies be funded) & for ethical reasons (e.g., exposing an experimental group of children with developing epiphysial plates to increased atmospheric pressure)."

I am sorry if my words got miss understudied but what I meant by what I said was not to bring children in to a lab but to a study on them. Do a study on kids that are all ready diving and see the effects on them.

second


"I do not find this compelling. Simply because a child manifests judgment, responsibility, attention to detail and respect for rules appropriate to his or her age doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be able to understand the physics & biology involved in scuba. Don't confuse what are largely behavioral traits with cognitive wherewithal."


The point I was trying to make here is not to let a kid dive that is mature for his or her age but to let a child dive if he or she is mature enough for diving. As where one child may be ready for it and be mature enough for it, another one who is censured mature for his/her age may not be and by no means should they be allowed to dive.

third
"This was not my construction of the thrust of such statements. It is not primarily a matter of strong v cursory interest. If you'll go back & read the original material again, you'll find accompanying remarks such as, "Under no circumstances should an unwilling child be coerced into scuba." What the points made by Drs. Taylor & Vikingo seem to imply is that it is important that the child's interest in scuba, at whatever level of intensity, primarily be his or her own rather than the result of external influences like parental or peer pressure."

I am sorry that I miss read you statement in that web site but it seems like we are both saying the same thing that a child should dive it he or she wants to dive and should not be pushed in to it by any one or thing.

forth
In closing, one thing we can agree upon:

"Whomever "Marian Life" may be, I'm sure that she'd appreciate being saved."

Lol ha-ha very funny ;) :-D
 
jagfish:
Hi
Interesting topic. Curious about how your query is phrased. The post almost sounds likek this is a topic you may not know a lot about initially, but have decided against it, and would like to find substantiation for that position.

Might be interesting to hear how it all came up...Or not, if you don't feel inclined.

JAG
I got to this topic because I was on a dive on time and there were all this youngsters running around everywhere and they where completely immature. I just thought that there is no way that they are going to be able to dive. They could even tell their instusrtuctor how much air they had in their tank. That just felt wrong. I have three brothers, 10, 10, and 13. I know that there is no way that they would understand anything about diving or be able to do it. It is just something that I think is a major problem. I am only 14, yes a very young diver, but I think that that is young. There is no way someone 10 years old, who can't even sit still long enough to read 2 pages in a book, should be allowed to dive.
Sam A
 

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