Cheapie prescription mask?

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jvevea

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I was playing around with an idea this evening, and discovered that, yes, last year's glasses with the ear and nose pieces removed wedge very nicely inside the skirt of one of my masks. I get a good seal, and the lenses are in more or less the correct location to improve my diving vision radically.

So I'm wondering:

1) Have any of you tried this? Did it work for you?

2) Do you think I would have any chance of keeping fog free?

I'm tempted to try it this weekend. If I do, I'll report back on how it worked.
 
I'd be very interested to hear how this works for you.

That's basically how we corrected sight in the old M17 military protective masks, and their armored-crewman counterparts... we had small corrective inserts that clipped inside the protective masks' lenses. They worked, but not horribly well...

Two things I'd be concerned about:

-- Instead of water drops (not fogging, but after clearing your mask) forming on just one lens surface -- the inside of your mask -- now you're going to have them on three surfaces. Too much distortion?

-- What happens if the insert dislodges? I suppose you could re-position it -- somewhat blind -- with your mask off your face... but if you drop the insert...

--Marek
 
You don't say what type of correction you need.
I need reading glasses for instruments and I used to just silicone a couple of cheap plastic lenses into my mask - see here:
http://www.scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=1304477&postcount=13

The siliconing operation should be done in an ambient with very low humidity (eg an air-conditioned room) as you don't want any moisture trapped inside the air-cell formed between the mask and the lens.

These plastic lenses were used for over 100 dives, many in the 30-45m range.

Nowadays I use the DiveOptx stick on reading lenses discussed in the same thread. These are fantastic.
http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=114588
 
...and it didn't work at all. As soon as I defogged and rinsed, the surface tension of the rinse water helped it bridge the gap between glasses and mask, making, in effect, a lens that was very far from my proper correction. I couldn't see a thing through it, so I didn't even try it in the water.

Ah, well. I guess I'll have to shell out the $$$ for a custom job. (Thanks for the other suggestions in this and other threads, but I have a bad astigmatism, so simple stock corrective glue-ons won't work for me.)

Cheers,
JLV
 
jvevea:
Ah, well. I guess I'll have to shell out the $$$ for a custom job

The $$$ I spent for bifocal overlays was money well spent. I doubt that you will regret the investment. All in all it's cheaper than a new pair of eyeglasses since almost any mask will be cheaper than eyeglass frames.

Pete
 
I'm farsighted, my lenses magnify....and I can use dollar store glasses as prescription glasses with no problem. My eyes have stabilized at + 2.75, but 30 years ago I was +1.0, then +1.25, then.....a gradual progression.

I tried using corrective lenses made of plastic inside the mask. They correct just fine but they fog and I could not find a way of preventing the fogging.

So, I tried putting the lenses on the outside of the mask...in the water. Back when I was +1.00 that method worked just fine. But the lenses needed to have more correction than if used in air. Now that I'm +2.75 it takes lenses whose diopters add up to 10.50 to see well in my hot tub, mounted on the outside of the mask.

Here's why. The Index of Refraction is 1.000xx for air, 1.56 for plastic lenses (unless using high-index plastic) and 1.33 for water. The thing that matters is the difference in Index of Refraction, IOR, between that of the plastic lens and that of the fluid it is imersed in. Plastic minus Air IOR is 1.56-1.00=0.56. Plastic minus water is 1.56-1.33=0.23. Plastic lenses imersed in air have an effective IOR difference of 0.56 but only have and effective IOR difference of 0.23 when imersed in water.

The ratio of effective IOR differences between air and water is IOR Air / IOR Water. 0.56 / 0.23 = 2.43. For a magnifying lens to do the same thing in water that it does in air it's diopter needs to be 2.43 times as much. For example, when I needed +1.00 diopters in air...I needed +2.50 diopters for the lenses mounted on the front of my mask, the lenses that were imersed in water. That is +1.00 diopeters x 2.43 = +2.43 diopeters. Actually I used +2.00's glued to the front of the mask, with space for the water to circulate between the glass faceplate of the mask and the back side of the glued on lens.

Now it is different. I need +2.75 diopters in air and +2.75 diopters x 2.43 = +6.68 diopters imersed in water and attached to the front of my mask.

(Note: you are always better off being a bit under corrected than overcorrected...ie. better off being a bit farsighted.)

Hmmm, how to get +6.50 diopters? Turns out it is easy. You can stack up magnifying lenses and the resulting diopeters are roughly the add-em-up SUM of the diopeters of the individual lenses. So, take two dollar store +3.25 diopter glasses, attach em together after first cutting off the ear pieces and then attach em to the front of the mask...viola a mask with good correction. The lenses can even be mounted backwards...since they work OK looking through from either the front or back side. Better, it only costs $2 to try it. Need a different correction, fine just use different combinations. For close up you can use a lens stack that gives a higher diopter sum.

On the other hand you can buy a mask with out of the box correction for about $63.50 delivered from Snorkel Mart, search the web. Scuba Toys has out of the box perscription masks as does Joe Diver and some other places. I get a lot of funny looks wearing a mask that has lenses glued to the outside. And the silicon glue does not always hold and the lenses are impossible to clean behind.

Contact lenses work just fine in diving masks, so that is an option. I use BL Pure Vision silicone lenses and can leave them in for days, even in my sensitive eyes. (Hint, just put the overnight solution directly in the eye to clear the lenses up.)

UW optics is interesting, huh?
 
DennisS:
These aren't as cheap as gluing old lenses into your mask but they are reasonable and work great.

http://affiliates.divers-direct.com...m?Item=1867&Template=9990000075000999&Group=7


Thanks Dennis. I use the lens for farsighted and get them from Divers Direct. They work great and never had a fogging problem with them.

My nearsightedness has changed over the past few years and was looking into getting perscription lens for my mask. These will certainly fit the bill and the price is right.

Joe
 
I've done what you are thinking about. I have to use positive (diopter) lenses to see things up close. I found the correction I needed but I was careful to get lenses that had the curvature on only ONE side. The other, of course, was totally flat. (I found these in the form of cheap reading glasses.) Using a clear epoxy, I glued the lenses into the bottom of a mask, being particularly careful to "roll" the lens and adhesive so that there were no trapped air bubbles or spaces between the lens and the plate of the mask.
Surprisingly, this all worked. However, since then I've found a "gauge reader" mask that already has the diopter lenses built into the lower windows. This has been the best solution and is less expensive than a prescription mask.
Of course, if your prescription is negative, neither of these solutions will help you.
 

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