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jhelmuth

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I've searched for recent advice on Cayman Brac and found little of interest (some heated posts on DIVI - but not much more). We are headed there this Sat. (May 1st - with our dive club ~ 20 of us going) and are staying at BRBR and have rented a Mitsubishi RVR from C.B. Rent-a-car. We are doing the full meal plan as well. We have the morning 2 tank dive reserved - shore dives later as desired.
If anyone has been there recently and could add anything that might enhance our enjoyment of this dive vacation, I'd be very greatful.
Some background:
We are into digital video and photography.
We like reefs the most, but I also really dig wrecks as well (the Tibbets will be dived).
I like wall dives.
We've never done any beach diving (but plan to).
Wife likes shopping for bric-a-braq (I hate it).
 
jhelmuth:
(off to Cayman Brac)...We have the morning 2 tank dive reserved - shore dives later as desired.
If anyone has been there recently...
Some background:
We are into digital video and photography.
We like reefs the most, but I also really dig wrecks as well (the Tibbets will be dived).
I like wall dives.
We've never done any beach diving (but plan to).
Wife likes shopping for bric-a-braq (I hate it).

Its been ~6 months since my last visit, but I've been there many times...

First, shore diving. Here's a quick/dirty map with basic descriptions. What you'll generally find is that the drop-off is too far out for practicality sake to do a shore wall dive. Even the Tibbets is a pretty healthy swim (by the time you get there, you're probably nearly at your turn-around psi).

Next, night diving:
For doing a night shore dive on your own, Radar is the place, as it has a decent streetlight. Watch out for sea wasps who sometimes collect in the lee behind the rock jetty which can make this a not-so-fun event...if they are present is a seasonal-tides-weather-wind dependant. Do make it a point to do this dive during the day first, to get a feel for the layout...you'll find that you can navigate out & back on the "pipe" that's the old telephone cable. Once out to the reefs, continue to use the pipe as a navigational reference.

Its Spring!

I caught word last week that the Thimble Jellyfish were "in" at Cozumel. This probably means that they're probably also "in" on the Brac. Wear at least a dive skin and cover your hands/face with suntan lotion until you already know if you're insensitive.

Where to dive:

Be careful out in front of the BRBR resort. Some areas are OK, but what you need to be aware of is that water coming in over the fringing reef can't go back out the same way, so it runs longitudinally down to the inlet by the dock and then out through the cut in the reef - - the closer you get, the stronger this current is, and if you're caught in it, you will be swept out to sea with the only reallly viable self-rescue being a reef-crawl that will clearly scratch you up but good.

For reefs, you'll find the Brac has some pretty high relief in its topology (the walls, even more so). On the southside, there's "Lighthouse" right off of the BRBR inlet that has some nice narrow canyons that can be like 5ft wide and 20ft deep on a 40fsw dive.
Supposedly, one of the BRBR dive staff knows how to find "The Hobbit" (reef) on the South side - - its an unmarked site since 1988 and supposedly very nice (I'm still trying to get there!).
Also on the southside near the resort is "Tarpon Reef". Its often a bit green and current/surge, but has a decent resident population of 4-5ft long Tarpon hanging out. There are also some sometimes hanging out up at Public Beach, which has also been a spot over the years for Eagle Rays.

On the northside, snapper reef is popular, and fairly typical. Again, a pretty rugged and "tall" reef topology, including swim-throughs on some sites. For shallow reef wrecks, there's the Kissamee, an inverted tug; penetration is possible, but its so filled with sand that its more of a "stick head in door" type.

For walls, expect your first day's diving to be at East Chute or nearby (Middle or West Chutes). The wreck of the Cayman Mariner is at East Chute and is a nice photo subject. Listen to the dive briefing for how to get there (from the wall, go up the Chute on the left side, keep to the left along the coral/sand line as it curves in). Also look for the big barrel sponges up on top in the coral on your left "on the way" to the wreck. If you get back to this spot a second time, ask one of the staffmembers to point out the anchor that's buried in the sand along the inside edge just to the east of the wreck. If they don't know about the anchor at all, feel free to chastise them :)

Further east, there's several northside walls that are pretty nice, but deeper than the 'Chutes. I forget if its Strawberry sponge wall or Cemetary wall (I think its the latter), but one of the northside walls is known for a resident population of flying grunards. Ask the staff for the latest, and they'll probably also give you a hand in finding one. The females are the big ones; the males the small ones.

Double wall at the end of the island is pretty nice.

Flipping around to the nominally windward southside, Anchor wall has a 17th? Century anchor lodged in it at ~95fsw in a swim-through.
Tiara Tunnels nearby has a memorial plaque at 95-100fsw to a dead diver on the far side of the pinnicle that the mooring is bolted into, and has some nice swim-thru canyons.
A good distance to the east is Wilderness Wall, a personal favorite. It has a canyon that leads out into an ampetheater that has a deepwater pinnicle within that often has a school of circling horse eye jacks. Do be cognizant and aware of your navigation this site...its easy to misplace where the boat is, partly because the wall has a huge notch in it that messes up natural navigation. Ditto for "Rock Monster".

In general, try to get some wall & reef dives on both sides of the island...its intereting how much variation there is, both in the general topology as well as critter life. For example, there's a Southside reef that features an unusual blue-colored lettuce leaf slug...worth asking about which one it is.

You'll probably also get a trip over to Little Cayman. Be ready for the ~50 minute duration boat rides.

Mixing Bowl is a nice spot, sometimes done as a wall dive (and called 3 Fathom wall). Its at the disembarkation between Bloody Bay and Jackson's Bight, so in addition to the main wall drop-off, there's a miniwall dropoff to the east (into Jackson's) that's a nice place to finish off a dive...there's at least one very nice canyon that goes out to the wall from Jackson's right in this area that someone can probably show you...there's also a lot of nooks & crannies that often have some pretty nice lobster in them.

If you get to Randy's Gazebo, be aware that after you come out of the chimney, you can duck back down and to the "right" (um...east!) and go under a horizontal ledge/crack where the mooring line is, and runs back through a nice cavern complex...you can ascend up & out in the one room with daylight (its tight, but not as tight as the chimney).

Ah, what the heck...there's just too much to describe. Send me an airline ticket and I'll be your guide :)

For bric-a-braq:
There's one overpriced shop over in Stake Bay, near the Museum. Go to the museum instead.
There's also NIM Things all the way up in Spot Bay, near the road to Peter's Cave...stop in and say "Hi" to Starry & Tennison for me, and ask Starry if she's still enjoying her retirement. Tehre's also a small place on White Church Road (not too far up the Northside from the western cross-over), which is run by Cliff's wife. Please stop in and ask her for me how Cliff is doing, and if he did get back to the Doctor in Miami like he was supposed to follow-up from his heart attack.
Finally, there's two tiny shops over at the Divi Tiara. One has cuban cigars is run by Raymond, who you should recognize from the Airport's Customs office. Please give him my greetings as well. Finally, while you're at Divi, please take a peek at their two 3-story tall timeshare buildings over on the west (BRBR-side) of their compound and please let me know if there's anything going on...Divi shut them down for rennovations last fall and information on their progress hasn't been particularly forthcoming.

Anything else you can think of, drop me a line ASAP, and I'll try to give you the scoop.

-Hugh
 
I just returned from diving at the Brac, we stayed at the Divi. By the way HH Max gave us a tour of the timeshares and told us what they were going to do to remodel them.......all I can say is "it all sounds good" but then again they're on island time.
Cliff is doing well, he couldn't wait for his wife to leave so that he could get a good drunk going, now that's the good ole Cliff! The diving was really great as it usaully is. We had great weather, went to LC three times in 7 dive days. The hotel looks quite nice, it has been refurbished abit, the outside has all new colors. The new dive boat (a 46 ft. Newton) is really nice, it has seating on the second level.
Some of our fav sites are East Chute (it had too much current all week to dive), Strawberry Wall on north side, School Bus wall where you can find "flying gunards".
Most sites if you search you can find the Bluegreen lettuce slug. As for shore dives, Radar reef is great, as is Buccaneer reef, Tibbets (the Russian wreck) can be done but it's a swim. Far up on the north side is a dive called "BurtBrother boulders", once while diving at this site we found a nice size yellow seahorse. Boat diving on the south side, I like "Son of Rock Monster" and maybe "Insideout", going shallow maybe "Tarpon reef" off BRBR. Anchor wall is always interesting. Diving with Divi is always a treat, they put it on you, and take it off as well as rinse out your gear.....you do however have to get on the boat. We dove with Nitrox most of the week, I know BRBR has it too.

Hope you have a great time,
Caymaniac
 
caymaniac:
I just returned from diving at the Brac, we stayed at the Divi. By the way HH Max gave us a tour of the timeshares and told us what they were going to do to remodel them.......all I can say is "it all sounds good" but then again they're on island time.

I can accept "Island Time" as an explanation for a certain amount of delay, but the timeshares have now been closed for seven (7) months and there's been tons done on the Hotel. BTW, I note your absence of any comments about Divi's compound being noisy with construction workers :)


...School Bus wall where you can find "flying gunards".

Ah, yes, that sounds right. Nice sight, although it can be a bit deep for some. Turtle sightings there occasionally too.

Far up on the north side is a dive called "BurtBrother boulders"...found a nice size yellow seahorse.

Burt's is a long ways, and typically only done when its calm enough to do a "Bluff Run" island circumnavitation. Does Reef Divers do Bluff Runs at all? I can't recall/don't know.

On seahorses, there were some sightings on the far western tip (End of Island area) last fall, and we spent a couple of dives very determinedly searching there, to no avail. I suspect that with the relatively few square miles of shallow reef around the Brac, the deep pelagic waters beyond, and the persistance of some current that seahorses get swept clear pretty easily and don't stand much of a chance of being anything other than a rarity.


We dove with Nitrox most of the week, I know BRBR has it too.

One would hope so, since Divi's Nitrox had been from BRBR's fill station. Max was hoping to put in their own fill station and lower last year's $12/tank price; any word on if this has happened yet or not? I've received conflicting reports.


-hh
 
W O W!

-HH, thank you so much (and to you too Caymaniac). This was even more than I had hoped for. If I could get you on our plane, I really would. I'm going to share this with the dive club. We have 2 really great DMs with some Brac experience, but I'm quite certain this is beyond their own knowledge.
The only other question that I should have asked is what to expect for water temps. I checked with Rutgers Univ. and the surface temps today were 80-81 F. Is this indicative of sub-surface temps?

Thanks again,

Jim
 
jhelmuth:
W O W!

-HH, thank you so much (and to you too Caymaniac). This was even more than I had hoped for. If I could get you on our plane, I really would. I'm going to share this with the dive club. We have 2 really great DMs with some Brac experience, but I'm quite certain this is beyond their own knowledge.

My pleasure.

The only other question that I should have asked is what to expect for water temps. I checked with Rutgers Univ. and the surface temps today were 80-81 F. Is this indicative of sub-surface temps?

I'd expect there to be a 1-2 degree drop-off for 15-75fsw, with a pretty decent probability of encountering the Cayman's deepwater thermocline on occasion here and there. This thermocline's only a few more degrees at most, and its not noticed by most summer visitors because the summer heat drives it to well below normal recreational depths...at this time of year, it's probably shallow enough that it probably will create some "cold drafts" coming up through wall swim-thru's, etc...but do note that such current flows are a convenient way to help locate larger swim-thru's! :)

Overall, I'd say that your worse case water temperature would be around 76F. If it were me, I'd take my full 3mm suit (which I wear even when its 83F) and probably add some head protection (hood or beanie). I'd not take my 6mm Farmer John. Some divers will be in nothing more than a skin, but a light wetsuit's real benefit is that you won't get chilled at the 45-60 minute mark into a dive, which helps keep air consumption low enough for liesurly 60-90 minute dives.

BTW, do be aware that Reef Divers tends to run a tighter ship in regards to rules conformance. This might rub with some of your more experienced members of your group, especially old solo photographer types. Quietly advise your group to be on their best behavior for their first 2-3 days so that the staff can relax by knowing that they have a good, safe group....one bad apple can cause a crackdown that will provide less discretionary freedom for everyone.

BTW, if you could ask Ed Beatty if he's got a current mailing address for Aileen Kane, I'd really appreciate the info.

Enjoy your trip.

-hh
 
-hh:
My pleasure.



I'd expect there to be a 1-2 degree drop-off for 15-75fsw, with a pretty decent probability of encountering the Cayman's deepwater thermocline on occasion here and there. This thermocline's only a few more degrees at most, and its not noticed by most summer visitors because the summer heat drives it to well below normal recreational depths...at this time of year, it's probably shallow enough that it probably will create some "cold drafts" coming up through wall swim-thru's, etc...but do note that such current flows are a convenient way to help locate larger swim-thru's! :)

Overall, I'd say that your worse case water temperature would be around 76F. If it were me, I'd take my full 3mm suit (which I wear even when its 83F) and probably add some head protection (hood or beanie). I'd not take my 6mm Farmer John. Some divers will be in nothing more than a skin, but a light wetsuit's real benefit is that you won't get chilled at the 45-60 minute mark into a dive, which helps keep air consumption low enough for liesurly 60-90 minute dives.


-hh

I just came back from Little Cayman two weeks ago (after having been there since October!), and the water was definitely warming up. The coldest I saw anywhere was 81F, and in the shallows it was like bathwater. I never use anything more than a 3mm suit, though I have seen a couple of people wearing hoods and know one guy (Caleb, at LCBR) who wears a 7mm wetsuit in winter. Beats me why, though. It's just about time to pack the wetsuit away and go to skins, which are good until January on Little Cayman. I'm sure Cayman Brac is the same.
 
-hh:
My pleasure.


BTW, if you could ask Ed Beatty if he's got a current mailing address for Aileen Kane, I'd really appreciate the info.

Enjoy your trip.

-hh

Be glad to - it's the least I can do. Where will I find him? Is he a part of the Dive op that associates with BRBR?
 
zf2nt:
I just came back from Little Cayman two weeks ago (after having been there since October!), and the water was definitely warming up. The coldest I saw anywhere was 81F, and in the shallows it was like bathwater. I never use anything more than a 3mm suit, though I have seen a couple of people wearing hoods and know one guy (Caleb, at LCBR) who wears a 7mm wetsuit in winter. Beats me why, though. It's just about time to pack the wetsuit away and go to skins, which are good until January on Little Cayman. I'm sure Cayman Brac is the same.

I'll probably take my 3/2 shorty, my hood, and plenty of skins. As long as it's 80+, I'm usually OK
 
-hh:
I can accept "Island Time" as an explanation for a certain amount of delay, but the timeshares have now been closed for seven (7) months and there's been tons done on the Hotel. BTW, I note your absence of any comments about Divi's compound being noisy with construction workers :)

We didn't hear any work being done for the 10 days we were there.



Ah, yes, that sounds right. Nice sight, although it can be a bit deep for some. Turtle sightings there occasionally too.

Yes the reef wall starts at near 90ft. but the gunards are found in the sand at 60 to 65 ft.

Burt's is a long ways, and typically only done when its calm enough to do a "Bluff Run" island circumnavitation. Does Reef Divers do Bluff Runs at all? I can't recall/don't know.

I don't think BRBR goes to these sites.

On seahorses, there were some sightings on the far western tip (End of Island area) last fall, and we spent a couple of dives very determinedly searching there, to no avail. I suspect that with the relatively few square miles of shallow reef around the Brac, the deep pelagic waters beyond, and the persistance of some current that seahorses get swept clear pretty easily and don't stand much of a chance of being anything other than a rarity.




One would hope so, since Divi's Nitrox had been from BRBR's fill station. Max was hoping to put in their own fill station and lower last year's $12/tank price; any word on if this has happened yet or not? I've received conflicting reports.

Max says that they have their own up and running, I questioned this because with a package price, I still paid $12 for each tank.


-hh
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