Cave frog vs open water frog?

[Nemrod]

I was discussing frog kicks with a friend on this board and it occurred to me we do them differently. I teased him I would start a thread and watch the fur fly but it was a joking but still I am curious.

BUT, I have seen people using an alternate frog kick to the standard cave style frog kick as shown in this clip:

YouTube - Frog Kick

The clip above is how I was taught the frog kick during my cave diving days and is how I assumed everybody did whenever the topic comes up. However there apparently is another style of frog which utilizes a bent knee and rear toe flip and a circular recovery. What is the difference , the cave style frog uses the BOTTOM face of the fin to propel the diver and this other style alternate frog kick uses the TOP face of the fin to propel the diver forward. This explains to me why some people claim they cannot get fin xyz to frog kick and diver abc claims just as emphatically that he can get fin xyz to frog kick just fine. They are not using the same kick obviously.

It is not important and may not be of any interset to anybody but me, just curious how people frog kick and why.

N

 

[300bar]

Interesting to see what's gonna come out of this.
I for one do it as in the video.With splitfins.

 

[Nemrod]

This diver I buddied with uses the open water style, notice his legs are up and together and he is at the BEGINNING of the power stroke where he flips both fins downward and rearward using the TOP face of the fin to provide thrust, the recovery is a semi circle out to the side, it is almost complete opposite of the frog kick I use and was taught and as shown in the video GUE clip. Also, notice he is using split fins and he is making excellent headway against a stiff current.

In this pic I am using the same kick, the open water style, but I am nearing the end of the power stroke, note the fins are curled up indicating the top FACE is making the thrust:

Semantics, when I say TOP face I mean the face that is up when you stand in your fins on the deck and by BOTTOM face I mean the face that is to the deck when you stand in your fins--make sense?

N

 

[Scubakevdm]

I was discussing frog kicks with a friend on this board and it occurred to me we do them differently. I teased him I would start a thread and watch the fur fly but it was a joking but still I am curious.

BUT, I have seen people using an alternate frog kick to the standard cave style frog kick as shown in this clip:

YouTube - Frog Kick

The clip above is how I was taught the frog kick during my cave diving days and is how I assumed everybody did whenever the topic comes up. However there apparently is another style of frog which utilizes a bent knee and rear toe flip and a circular recovery. What is the difference , the cave style frog uses the BOTTOM face of the fin to propel the diver and this other style alternate frog kick uses the TOP face of the fin to propel the diver forward. This explains to me why some people claim they cannot get fin xyz to frog kick and diver abc claims just as emphatically that he can get fin xyz to frog kick just fine. They are not using the same kick obviously.

It is not important and may not be of any interset to anybody but me, just curious how people frog kick and why.

N

If I could see video of the guy and the other frog kick, I could critique it.

The guy in the video you posted is doing a frog kick. The only other frog kick I'm aware of is a modified frog kick, which relies almost completly on ankle movement, with no extension of the lowwer leg... clapping the soles of the feet together as much as anatomy will allow.

It's possible that your friend has invented a new type of kick.

 

[Scott M]

Nem, I use the kick as shown in the YouTube clip, didn't know there was any other.

 

[Scubakevdm]

This diver I buddied with uses the open water style, notice his legs are up and together and he is at the BEGINNING of the power stroke where he flips both fins downward and rearward using the face of the top fin to provide thrust, the recovery is a semi circle out to the side, it is almost complete opposite of the frog kick I use and was taught and as shown in the video GUE clip. Also, notice he is using split fin and he is making excellent headway against a stiff current.

In this pic I am using the same kick, the open water style, but I am nearing the end of the power stroke, note the fins are curled up indicating the top FACE is making the thrust:

Semantics, when I say TOP face I mean the face that is up when you stand in your fins on the deck and by BOTTOM face I mean the face that is to the deck when you stand in your fins--make sense?

N

Ahhh, I've seen this kick before... mostly from students trying to immitate a frog kick. It is the opposite of what I call a frog kick... you're right!

 

[Nemrod]

I don't mean this thread to be an I am right and you are wrong, that is up to y'all, I am just curious as well some others may be as to how we actually do a frog kick when we say we are frog kicking---lol.

N

 

[JeffG]

Ahhh, I've seen this kick before... mostly from students trying to immitate a frog kick. It is the opposite of what I call a frog kick... you're right!

It sounds almost like a dolphin kick

 

[Scubakevdm]

It sounds almost like a dolphin kick

It's sorta like half a dolphin kick, but with leg extension rather than undulation.

Nem, and everyone else... I'm not trying to be right or wronginsh, BUT this style kick will mobilize some very large muscles, as compared to a mod frog, which only taps only little ones.

 

[JeffG]

It's sorta like half a dolphin kick, but with leg extension rather than undulation.

Nem, and everyone else... I'm not trying to be right or wronginsh, BUT this style kick will mobilize some very large muscles, as compared to a mod frog, which only taps only little ones.

My brother uses this style of kick.

It can destroy the vis pretty quick. It pushes the water down