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AJmonkey

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Hello everyone. My name is Abbey and I was certified with SSI earlier this year. It was my only option here in Evansville, IN. I quickly fell in love with diving and am considering making a career of it. I am currently considering a few different programs to become a divemaster/instructor including Hall's diving institute in Marathon and Ocean Divers in Key Largo. I would greatly appreciate any input from you.
Thanks in advance.
 
Hello everyone. My name is Abbey and I was certified with SSI earlier this year. It was my only option here in Evansville, IN. I quickly fell in love with diving and am considering making a career of it. I am currently considering a few different programs to become a divemaster/instructor including Hall's diving institute in Marathon and Ocean Divers in Key Largo. I would greatly appreciate any input from you.
Thanks in advance.

Have you done any research to determine if you will be able to make a living from what you will get paid as a divemaster or scuba instructor?

Most divemasters and instructors that I know have a regular full-time job that pays the bills. They do the divemaster/instructor bit because they enjoy it.

I would suggest you fully research both the income and the types of work divemaster/instructors do. DiveMaster/instructors have to do a lot more than swim around in the ocean looking at fish.

I am not trying to dissuade you from taking the path you describe but I think you should thoroughly research those careers before you spend you hard-earned money on a DiveMaster and/or an Instructor Development Course.

Also, have you considering learning to become a DiveMaster through your local LDS? My LDS has two NAUI Course Directors. This means that they can teach and certify students up to and including the instructor level. This route might take longer but will cost you less money. You will also, have money coming in from your regular job will you are doing the training.
 
Hey AJ...Sounds liuke you're in the exact same mind set as my wife and I are. We fell in love with diving so fast and hard that we want to make careers out of it. We ahve done ALOT of research on it and are doing more literally everyday. We have even decided to move to a place that pretty much has a firm grip on WARM water diving in the U.S because we want it so badly...Hawaii! I know people on here will read this and remind me of Florida but I said HAWAII and thats that for me anyway. So the more We find out the more the 'dream' becomes reality. And reality is theres just no way to become a DM or Intructor and still pay all your regular bills and buy gas....not as a married couple anyway. If I was single...DONE DEAL! I'd rough it from country to country teching diving and makin awsome friends and memories while having a blast! But I am in love and thats just not an option. What I do know after going back and forth with Hall's is this...there is absolutely no way to pay bills, save money and feed yourself all the while paying them back! no way! My wife and I have a dream of someday opening our own little ma and pa dive shop, so we were interested in the full package Hall's offered. it was something like $18-$22K EACH! So we did more research and came to the same conclusion that RONBEAU mentioned..a LDS will take a bit longer but will save TONS of cash! not only that but do you really want a 'bang 'em out' education? not I. So as Hall's was so very tempting and they made is make soooo much sense, after i got off the phone and away from the sales pitch...reality set in again....keep your day job and make this a passion on the side. It sucks that people will tell you and us, things like this because we think they don;t understand my passion for wanting it...but they do. they most likely have been there done that and bought the T shirt. We all know where there is a will, there is a way...and thats why My wife and I are still going to do it..IN HAWAII, we're just going to find 'real' jobs to componsate our bank accounts untill we win the lotto or build our dream from the ground up. So don't get dicouraged by the 'know it all's' on here with thier 2cents...live your dream, just keep reality close by. And hay we don;t know you from the next guy or gal and we don't know your finacial situation and basically thats what it all comes down to, your cash nest egg and flow. This was just my humble opinion and 2cents...no need to 'prove me wrong' all you know it alls reading this...we can dream! DON"T HATE!
Good Luck AJ!!!
 
Hey AJ, I actually work at Hall's so you may take my opinion as biased and that is totally understandable. But to tell you from experience I moved all the way from Suffolk, ENGLAND to take the 14 week program at Hall's. After graduation I moved to boston and worked for East Coast divers ( Paul Adler owner 617 277 2216 ). I lived comfortably in the city and had no problem paying my bills. As for now, after 2 years at East Coast, I decided to head for warmer weather. I have been working for Hall's for 2 years now and am making above $30,000 a year and thats not including commission or Tips. If you need any references for the school I'll be glad to give them to you. I Only speak so highly of the program because of what it has enabled me to accomplish......1. Leave my country of origin, 2. Live completely independently of my parents since I graduated 4 years ago .. I was 19 at the time ....3. and I live well and can travel the world doing what I love. For those nay sayers on working in the industry they are right! In the fact you'll never become a millionaire but I'll tell you something, I havnt woken up once in the last 4 years with that stomach churning feeling of uggghh I have to go to work. Take what you will from this and I hope it helps... if you have any more questions feel free to call me at the institute. :D
 
This is a long post, and the extenuating circumstances documented here are not in my opinion problems specific to Ocean Divers. In the high turnover world of dive instruction and the high pressure atmosphere of an Instructor Factory, these issues are just an example of some of the possible glitches one can run into when taking the fast track. Considering what happened during my stay I consider myself lucky to have had the positive experiences that I did.

I went to Ocean Divers spring of '01; did AOW - Rescue - DM - IDC - IE (Key West Community College) - Dive Center Operations (MSDT Prep plus), in ~9 weeks. The downstairs neighbor is Dick Rutkowski, founder of IANTD and very probably the man most responsible for recreational nitrox diving (Hyperbarics International, Inc.). After completing my courses with OD I took IANTD Gas Blender and Draeger Dolphin Rebreather from Dick's partner Larry Heiskell, who now runs their Costa Rica location, and did my IANTD Advanced Nitrox Instructor crossover with Dick himself.

I mention them because for the most part, they are the reason I am glad I went to OD.

When I was making my calls to Hall's, Pro Dive (Ft. Lauderdale - no longer in existence) and OD, the head CD, Frasier, "sold" me on Ocean Divers by pretty much guaranteeing he could certify me as PADI Rebreather Specialty Instructor by the end of my 2 months in Key Largo. The other "sales" points were the Dive Center Operations course including a Resort Photo Pro course with Stephen Frink and Frasier's extensive marine photo/video resume. Although Stephen Frink was not involved in the Stephen Frink co-op, that was a highlight, and Frasier's resume ended up a problem of sorts. Looking at there web site today, either they have broken it up a bit or my memory is not perfect.

Luckily, I got nearly all of the many promises in writing before making any payments.

By the time I arrived, the second CD had left, so for the first month Frasier was the only CD. As I understand it an Instructor Development Center is supposed to have two Course Directors on staff, and all the OD literature I received made that claim. Eventually, Simon, a recently certified CD joined the staff, but almost immediately Frasier was offered a videographer position for a big Discovery or National Geo Humpback shoot, and he left just as my group was starting the Instructor Development Course.

As it turned out, the fact that Frasier could not have certified me as PADI Dolphin/Atlantis Specialty Instructor even if he had stayed and left around the end of DM worked to my advantage in the long run. Among other things, my letter from him promised 2 months of unlimited diving from the Ocean Diver's boats, and after my Rebreather course with Larry, I negotiated 8 complimentary trips on the OD boats with the Dolphin Larry rented me for just $150/day. Captain Billy wanted that tech rig off the boat as soon as we tied up and allowed me to go solo, except for the day I chose to buddy with a cute Sacramento DM.

Simon was thrust into the drivers seat in only his second week at OD and things were not as professionally done as any of my classmates or I were led to expect. Luckily the Master, Staff and Staff in training instructors worked well with Captain Billy to make it work for us. The next couple groups did not fare as well from what I understand. Captain Joe (the owner) was even more crotchety than his reputation, especially when a couple of us also demanded partial housing refunds due the less than promised accommodations.

One thing I can say about the experience is the fact that OD is a very popular 2 cattle boat operation servicing the Duane, Bibb and now the Spiegel Grove gives the instructor candidates a crash course in some serious charter and instructional situations. After those 2 months (200 dives) in Key Largo I have always felt I was at least as prepared, if not more so, than any new instructor I've seen from Pro Dive, Hall's or long term internships with a Hawaii program.

It is not easy on the body or the mind to do a program like this. There is very little time for social activities, much less for partying. A couple of the impressive things about the program were the fact that they were not about to give it away; in my group, one DMC was asked to go dive some more before trying again and one Instructor Candidate was not passed to the IE. Once we got to the IE, we all had no problem, while the KWCC group that trained for a semester lost half their class to the open book Standards Exam!?!

Looking at their web site, Joe Angelo is listed as the CD since '87, but he was definitely not there at all during my stay. I think that probably means the program should be better than the one I did, but it is also indicative of a certain lack of full disclosure consistent with my experience. At least Dick Rutkowski hasn't moved out! What I can say is no matter where you go, get all the promises in writing and if you don't take it lightly you can be successful, IF you have the necessary water skills, stamina and drive. This type of program is definitely not for everyone!
 
Get a degree in medicine/surgery first. Then you can work one day a week and you will have enough money to blow on your 6-day diving carreer. It should balance out pretty nicely.
 

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