Can a 230 bar first stage run a 3442 HP steel tank?? Confused??

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I ordered a Scuba pro MK17EVO (yoke) and A700 setup. It says 230 bar on first stage which is 3,364 psi. I am running 3442 HP steel tanks.

Is this first stage safe for that pressure?
 
You can run a yoke valve on a 3442tank with a yoke valve or a 200bar convertible valve in it using the yoke conversion
 
Thanks was thinking about just buying the DIN conversion kit from Scuba pro. All my steel tanks have the DIN/YOKE valves. Been reading on this subject since yesterday and seems like the consensus is that the DIN is (better) for HP Steel . Do you guys agree??? BTW the Scuba pro kit goes to 300 bar....

I am still a rookie but I am trying to educate myself so you guys please bare with me...thanks again!
 
If you plan to diy the DIN fitting on yourself, you first must remove the yoke retaining nut. If my memory serves me correctly it is a 1 inch socket. But not any old socket. It must be a low profile one. (I cut a standard 3/8 drive one down) or in a pinch, a large adjustable wrench.

Other option is to bring it to your local shop with a coffee and they might do it free in about 5 minutes time. That is assuming the coffee order was correct.
 
Think of it this way: the type of mount your regulator uses serves essentially one purpose. That is to create an airtight physical connection to the tank. "Pro" valves, like the convertible yoke/DIN you've been using, are "200 bar," but clearly work on HP steel tanks.

Understand that the DIN conversion is simply a change to the mounting "adapter" on the reg - meaning the actual "regulator" portion of the regulator is entirely capable of handling 300 bar out of the box. It's simply that a yoke clamp isn't compatible with a 300 bar valve, because there's no commercially available adapter insert like you've got on your "200 bar" pro valves.

As to converting the regulator to "300 bar," all that really means is that the DIN adapter you install is the longer style DIN adapter. There are 200 bar DIN regulators out there; I'm under the impression they're basically nonexistent in the US, and then mostly just ones that were hand-carried over by some of our European friends. A 300 bar regulator will work fine in a 200 bar valve. The only notable difference is that a 300 bar regulator's adapter will have 7 threads, where a 200 bar's regulator will only have 5. This means your 300 bar regulator will have a couple of threads sticking out of your 200 bar valve when it's tightened down, which is absolutely normal, and not anything to worry about.

The decision of yoke vs DIN isn't really one of "better" or "worse," in my opinion. It's mostly a preference thing. Some folks feel like yoke mounts are prone to dislodging from the tank valve if you bang them on something. I think that's an absolutely valid reason to choose DIN if you're diving overhead environments like caves or wrecks. Open water, is it really a problem? I'm not saying it's not, but if it is, I'd bet the problem is statistically insignificant when compared to other potential failures, including failures of the diver.

If you do choose to convert to DIN, and you ever dive tanks you don't own (i.e. travel and/or rent) you'll probably want a DIN to yoke adapter, just in case you run into a tank that doesn't have a convertible valve.

I personally use DIN, and don't feel there are any appreciable drawbacks to that decision. If you have yoke regs and you show up somewhere that only has DIN valves on their tanks, you're hosed. If you have DIN regs and an adapter, you're prepared for pretty much every situation you'll likely find.

Edit to add: Also note that "300 bar" isn't something you're likely to find in SCUBA tanks, being 4,400psi. Some places/people throw around "232 bar" to encompass HP steel tanks, but that's even a bit off, at 3,410psi. I'm certain I've read somebody's post around here that explains the marketing (not logic) behind the 300, 200, 232, etc. Functionally, these numbers are nearly irrelevant on modern equipment, as pretty much every regulator has been designed to work with HP steel tanks for a while. Some more vintage regs might struggle with high pressures, but I don't think I've ever heard of a catastrophic exploding regulator caused by an HP tank.
 
Go DIN and forget of any problem!
When you fly in other countries where you fear that a DIN-adaptable valve could not be available, bring with you the inexpensive DIN-to-Yoke adapter, and you are safe.
 
Some more vintage regs might struggle with high pressures, but I don't think I've ever heard of a catastrophic exploding regulator caused by an HP tank.

Most vintage yokes that are rated for pressures under 3000#, when used on a high pressure, can have the yoke flex under the pressure and they will blow the o-ring before breaking.

Sherwood made a yoke for 4000# service, back in the late’70’s or early ‘80’s, however it wasn’t designed to fit on modern convertible valves which would come later.


Bob
 
Thanks was thinking about just buying the DIN conversion kit from Scuba pro. All my steel tanks have the DIN/YOKE valves. Been reading on this subject since yesterday and seems like the consensus is that the DIN is (better) for HP Steel . Do you guys agree??? BTW the Scuba pro kit goes to 300 bar....

I am still a rookie but I am trying to educate myself so you guys please bare with me...thanks again!
The DIN is a more positive connection and generally preferred but not all destinations have DIN valves.

The most versatile choice is to permanently convert the reg to DIN (takes about 5mins as noted)
Then carry a DIN to yoke valve converter for the rare place that only has yoke tanks.
 

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