Buying 1st BC!!! (help)

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smartdog126

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Okay, I just got certified and im going to buy a BCD. I have looked through some... ill admit not alot. But the sherwood Magnum sticks out to me. Does any one have any personal experience with that BC? or opinions i would like to stick with the sherwood brand through due to everyone telling me about it and every single person steering me towards it.
 
Well, you might not find a lot of support for a jacket style BC. They were the latest thing, back in the '80s when I started diving. Weight integration came a little later.

I'm not going to try to talk you out of it. I'm going to suggest that you first do a little homework re: jacket, back-inflate and BP/W's before you rush out and buy something. Learn about the different styles and why they exist. Visit a few dive sites (they're all around you) and see what the better divers are using. It won't be hard to identify the better divers. They'll pretty much have it all together.

Other than that, Sherwood has been around for a very long time. That BC looks like every other jacket BC so it probably works fine.

Why don't you wander through a couple of dozen threads on this forum?


One thing to think about (and it eliminates just about EVERY BC, except a very few), I really like double tank bands. I don't like trying to reattach a tank while sitting on the bottom.

Richard
 
I am going to give you the only advice on BC's I'm 100% confident in giving..........

Wait and try, try, try. I bought one right after OW and less then a year later replaced it with a different style that I like a lot better for the type of diving I do. Look through the forums and what other people locally are diving ask questions. Then try them out (borrow or rent) as many styles and brands as you can. Find which style and brand (they will fit differently) is the most comfortable to YOU after all it is your money and your the one that has to dive it.
 
I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here just because.

I used to think that the only way to get a new diver set up correctly was to totally bypass the whole jacket, weight integrated, sewn together unit with all the bells and whistles and fast track them right in to a slick back plate and wing set up right off the bat and have them avoid the whole gear/money pit vortex, but now I'm beginning to re-think this whole approach.

I recently ran into a whole ordeal with a new diver who I tried to fast track into all this advanced gear, but now I'm wishing I hadn't and let him figure out his own path of of gear choice. The thing is, this particular guy is not a normal well balanced person with a normal personality so maybe it's a little unfair to create a stigma for all new divers based on my experiences with one individual. I have since come to the realization that ANY new diver looks like a pro next to this person.

However, somehow I do think that it is important that brand new divers learn step by step why and how gear evolves the way it does and why eventually most of us end up minimizing our gear back down from an overload of gadgetry that seems to happen somewhere between dive number 25 and dive 200.

So where is all this going?
OK, New divers are completely overloaded with information from the get go about what reg, what BC, what fiins, what Mask, what suit, and everything else. Dive shops typically will rent or have them use in the pool and for their check out dives the gear that they want them to buy new in the store; they will have on the rack the exact same stuff they used in the class for an instant sale.
What you need to do before you drop a whole lot of money is first take a deep breath and second ask a lot of questions. This board is a good start. Realize though that people who post and recommend a brand are probably partial to that brand because that's what they bought and that's all they've ever owned and used. There isn't much in scuba equipment now days that's really bad, it's just that there's stuff out there that's better. Does it all work, yes it does, but some stuff works better.
With BC's, I'm of the mindset that new divers need to experience for themselves a jacket BC and figure out first hand why more experienced divers have abandoned them in favor of back plates and wings. Without first hand knowledge it's really hard to personally understand the phonomenon. Therefore what I would do is ask a lot of questions on this board as to what a good all around jacket BC is to start with then get one used on ebay or craigslist. After you dive it for a while you will understand why they suck and you can upgrade to the next level. The beauty of craigslist or ebay is that you haven't lost all your savings doing so. Fast tracking the new diver and getting them right into a BP/W set up from the start seems like a good idea, but then the only problem is ND will never understand why the BP/W is a superior system and they will have been cheated out of the experience of owning a jacket BC and fully understandiing why they suck. Ebay and craigslist is just a more economical and less financially painfull way of taking this class.
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The other way to experience all the different gear is to rent for a while (or a long time) and see what works best for you. The only problem is most dive shops are operating in a bubble and most do not have any knowledge of back plates and wings, or have them in their rental fleets or in the store. If you ask them about these products, 9 out of 10 times the guy at the counter will stare at you with bubbles coming out of his nose and he'll reply "I think I know what those are, but we don't have them. We only have recreational stuff not tech gear"
If that's the case then you need to hook up with some local divers using this stuff that can show you what it is, how it works, let you feel and touch some of the stuff then try it out. That's the only way.

I wish it wish it was easier my friend, but unfortunately dues must be paid.

Good luck.


Hope this helps.
 
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okay thanks that kinda a little bit confused at firs but understood it as i completed it but yeah.. i have only dived during my class i use the avid - sherwood it was nice but could have been better i think on fitting wise i dont think i would purchase it
 
okay thanks that kinda a little bit confused at firs but understood it as i completed it but yeah.. i have only dived during my class i use the avid - sherwood it was nice but could have been better i think on fitting wise i dont think i would purchase it

Good start.
Keep trying different stuff. In South Florida you must have a ton of different shops to choose from to rent stuff. I'll bet none of them carry the same stuff either for competitive reasons, which is good for you , you get to try out all kinds of different gear that way.
Keep renting, and when you think you found what you like, look on ebay, craigslist, or here on this board in the classifieds for it. Chances are you'll find it. When you get it, dive it for a while. When you get sick of it and realize why it isn't so good anymore, re-sell the thing in the same spot. You'll only lose a few bucks rather than a lot.
Who knows you may just find the thing that you'll stick with for a long time and never think about or need to go to a BP/W. Many people never do and are perfectly happy.

Good luck to you buddy.
 
I think you'll find a lot of satisfied Zeagle customers in your area. They sell a full line of BC's from minimalist travel models to full-on tech gear. Including an optional backplate if you go to tech/doubles diving later. All the pieces are modular so your dealer can mix/match for a custom fit - mine did at no addt'l charge. Zeagle Systems, BCs, Regulators, and Scuba Accessories

DiversDirect sells them. There's a bunch of different models on the rack in their Ft. Lauderdale store if you're near there. And the Zeagle factory is in Zephyr Hills if you need service beyond what your dealer can provide. Having owned two of the products (Ranger and Stiletto) I can say they're pretty bulletproof. And extremely comfortable. Not necessarily the cheapest but you get what you pay for.

Most of the Zeagle line have optional rear pockets which make it a breeze to adjust your trim. My weighting is about 60/40 front/back and I can easily maintain the classic horizontal position effortlessly in the water column.

Look at it this way, in 3-5 years you'll know what you really want. It may be what you've got or as ZKY suggests it may be something completely different - or something none of us have heard of yet. I've gone through at least three different "state of the art" systems in 20+ yrs. of diving. So buy something that fits and makes sense for you and worry about it later.

My suggestion would be to stay away from something overly gimmicky, the reason more minimalist systems work best in diving is that having less failure points is a proven design. For me this rules out things like the Mares Airtrim for example, it's an overly complex set of hoses and valves that do the same thing as a standard proven inflator.

hth,
 
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Sherwood '07 Avid CQR2 BCD,

I bought this one in 2006. It is wearing like iron. It is easy to use, and ideal for drift diving. It keeps me well up and above the rough surface after a drift dive in Jupiter.

You will read a lot of guys tooting about the metal plate and wing. That's heavy-duty stuff and you won't see many where we dive. The water temperatures in South Florida means a thick wetsuit or dry suit is not needed, so the extra weight of that plate is not needed, either.

I started diving in '77 with no BC at all, so I don't take them too seriously. One thing to look for is two tank straps, not one. I had a tank fall out of a crummy one-strap BC, and went right out and bought Sherwood.

Good luck with it.
 
But the sherwood Magnum sticks out to me. Does any one have any personal experience with that BC? or opinions i would like to stick with the sherwood brand through due to everyone telling me about it and every single person steering me towards it.

What a strange bunch of diving friends you have! ;)

Seriously though, diving clubs/groups often tend to have a prevalence of one particular type of equipment. This is due to the influence of the instructor/dive shop... what they use and what they retail.

I can't comment personally of Sherwood equipment - I never used it, or knew anyone who used it.

BUT... I would recommend thoroughly researching ALL of your options.... and not just following the herd that you currently dive with. There are many, many great options available...and some will suit you better than others.
 

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