BP&W or Axiom (Aqualung) or Black Ice ( Apeks ) ?

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A Marseilles weight belt (the kind few divers use) would fix that. It stretches, so it compensates for depth. It's rubber, so it keeps from sliding.

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A Marseilles weight belt (the kind few divers use) would fix that. It stretches, so it compensates for depth. It's rubber, so it keeps from sliding.

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I agree but at the time I did not know about rubber belts. Also some people say they stretch and sag when used with heavy weight. So they may not be as useful in a cold water environment.
 
Shoot me a PM with your email. I have an article with pictures that will address most of your BPW questions. Short version: BPW's are more versatile, easy to set up, and you do not have to take a bunch of stuff apart to change tanks.

Now Jim.... What's the bunch of stuff one needs to take apart to change a tank when not diving a BP/W?
 
thank you guys for your valuable information...

i came back from a liveaboard trip, a week in the red sea, had all my gears except BCD, had to rent 1 from the company, guess what !! i was offered the aqua lung axiom. i was like, im i in a dream, was just thinking about buying one!!

anyway, the crew, the diving, sharcks, dolphins and...and... everything was over the top, the one thing that runed the week for me was the BCD, its not staiable, i kept on adding air....im goin down...add air...im going down...add air...im still going down......add air...im going up too ast... alright...next dive....change my weight...then went on the same loop again... end up finning through out of week...

while having snacks on surface interval, as soon as they announce the time of the next dive, a picture of a gym came to my mind !!

bottom line, i would not accept aqua long axiom not even for free.

buy the way, i was using the standard axiom not the i3
 
the one thing that runed the week for me was the BCD, its not staiable, i kept on adding air....im goin down...add air...im going down...add air...im still going down......add air...im going up too ast... alright...next dive....change my weight...then went on the same loop again... end up finning through out of week...

This sounds like it was not the fault of your BC (unless it was leaking), but just a lack of experience on your part. You might have also been overweighted, causing you to need more air in the BC, which makes it more sensitive to depth changes. You should consider finding an excellent technical diving instructor or recreational instructor that does some technical diving, and ask him or her to help you with your buoyancy. It would be best to do this in a BP/W so you can try one out, but even with a jacket BC it might be very helpful. There's a buoyancy class offered by most of the agencies, like PADI's peak performance buoyancy. With the right instructor that class can be very helpful to new divers.

Trim in the water is primarily a function of weight distribution; the typical problem is that many new divers are overweighted and too much of the weight is down around the hips. Combined with an aluminum tank this can cause new divers to have trouble staying horizontal. The BP/W puts some weight up on your back and helps distribute it more evenly. You can do something similar with almost any BC, by putting weights on the cambands with little pockets that are made specifically for that.

Two of the biggest advantages IMO of the BP/W are that it holds the tank in a very stable manner on your back and that there is very little clutter and extra material/padding/buckles/kitchen sink in front of you in the chest and abdomen area.

I'm not a fan of integrated weights, but it really depends on how much weight is involved, what type of pockets they are, what kind of tank, etc. The whole issue of weighting/trim needs to be considered with all the factors for an individual diver to come up with the best solution.
 
Now Jim.... What's the bunch of stuff one needs to take apart to change a tank when not diving a BP/W?

Did you read the op's entire first post? If you had I would not have to draw your attention to the last part of the last paragraph in it. He specifically asked if he needed to take a bunch of stuff apart on a BPW to change tanks. I told him he did not.

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This sounds like it was not the fault of your BC (unless it was leaking), but just a lack of experience on your part. You might have also been overweighted, causing you to need more air in the BC, which makes it more sensitive to depth changes. You should consider finding an excellent technical diving instructor or recreational instructor that does some technical diving, and ask him or her to help you with your buoyancy. It would be best to do this in a BP/W so you can try one out, but even with a jacket BC it might be very helpful. There's a buoyancy class offered by most of the agencies, like PADI's peak performance buoyancy. With the right instructor that class can be very helpful to new divers.

Trim in the water is primarily a function of weight distribution; the typical problem is that many new divers are overweighted and too much of the weight is down around the hips. Combined with an aluminum tank this can cause new divers to have trouble staying horizontal. The BP/W puts some weight up on your back and helps distribute it more evenly. You can do something similar with almost any BC, by putting weights on the cambands with little pockets that are made specifically for that.

Two of the biggest advantages IMO of the BP/W are that it holds the tank in a very stable manner on your back and that there is very little clutter and extra material/padding/buckles/kitchen sink in front of you in the chest and abdomen area.

I'm not a fan of integrated weights, but it really depends on how much weight is involved, what type of pockets they are, what kind of tank, etc. The whole issue of weighting/trim needs to be considered with all the factors for an individual diver to come up with the best solution.

where i live i dive 1 mm wetsuit. i bought Mares 5.4.3 wetsuit based on the company recommendations. didn't do any dive with the Mares suit before the liveaboard.

im 85 kg. use 5-6 kg with 1 mm. so the instructor on the liveaboard told me i have to put 12 kg for the 5mm.

after first dive, i removed 4 kg, did a weight check but i was unable to descend, no matter what i do. i put back 3 kg and also was unable to desend unless i desend top down and kick untill im at depth of 3-5 m then im good.

had to dp negative entry on all the dives after that. bottom line, once im at depth of 25-30 m, the BC wasn't helping me.

after one of the dives, i removed my BCD, kept my mares wetsuit on and since i like to freedive, i decided to jump on the water, what i found out is that the model i have act similar to the life guard jacket !! kept me floating.

i often read on different threads that someone want to buy a regulator, fin or a BCD and soooo on, then he says something like, i will go and try it out with my LDC. here, there is no options, for example, aqua lung dealer only have Wave BCD for rental, and i can't remember the regulator name but its one of those bottom end regulators, asking a trial of axiom or black ice or xtx100 is not possiable. that is just an example, other dealers like oceanic and scuba pro is the same.
 
I don't believe that your buoyancy problems as you describe have anything with the type of model of BC at all. There is another issue that you need to define and address properly other than this issue.
 
hello everybody,

I am AOW and Nitrox been doing all the previous dives in jacket style only and i thoughts thats is all untill i start doing a lil research and found out there is also back inflated and others also known as bp&w. my main goal is to achive a good trim underwater instead of spending most of my dive time trying to adjust my buoyancy. where i live in UAE, LDC don't have the varity of options where someone can try to chose from, they all have basic jacket style.

i will be only doing a recreational diving, althought its tempting to at least try tech diving even for once.

one of the LDC were recommending Axiom by Aqualung, or Black Ice by apeks. BP/W concept is almost not available here.

so, which one would you recommend? somehow im drawn toward BP&W but then i have to do all the assembly and maintinance. i also don't wana wear a weight built. would BP&W be good for cave and wreck penetrations thought, i don't think we have caves in here but i wana keep my options available. is BP&W easy for replacing tank in case of second dive or do i have to disassemble a lot of parts ? on what base can i choose what plate or wing or harnes to buy taking in consideration it will all be online.

thankx and sorry if i said too much.


HI Corleone

I live in the UAE too and in Dubai at least the LDS does stock wings. A lot on my friends dive them, me also. There is also a Dive club here where people often sell their gear if changing for whatever reason and people will always offer you the chance to test a wing for yourself. If you need further help PM me
 
There is also a Dive club here where people often sell their gear if changing for whatever reason and people will always offer you the chance to test a wing for yourself. If you need further help PM me

im from Abu Dhabi, can go to Dubai in any day. which dive club are you talking about?

since you are from Dubai, i heard there is a beach there where divers can bring their own equipments and there is only weight and tanks for hire. is it true? which beach? i though it would be nice to try new equipments, fine tone some skills and so on. i wana stop doing normal dive trips with boat full of divers, i wana some time for my own?

I wish and i repeat, I WISH if i can book a session with one of the instructors and work around a wing setup, for example try different wings, different plates, different weight distribution, get a personal advise and so on.

any body can buy from online stores nowadays, just don't wana end up with the wrong shipment.
 

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