BCD's -- first-time purchase

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CaseyJr

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My husband & I are considering our first BC purchases as new divers. For the time being, rentals are OK until we see just how much diving we'll be doing. so have plenty of time for research. (maybe Santa??) :xmas_2:

We fully understand that one's choice of a BCD is personal preference, but were curious as to what things we should look for, what works (or doesn't), and what is just "fluff." We are recreational divers and most of our diving will be in warm waters. Also, would it be wise to consider purchasing a BC for our 13y/o son -- and if so, would we get one that was a size up so he could "grow into it"??

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First, I wouldn't buy a new BC for a growing boy unless he were going to do lots of diving in the short time before he'd outgrow it. You might consider a used BC if the price were right, planning on re-selling it later.

As to BC's for yourselves, you're right to put this off until you've dived a bit more and decided what you want. Also if you plan on doing most of your diving at tropical resorts, you might skip ownership altogether since with the new airline baggage limitations, many BC owners leave them home anyway.

Before you buy, decide what kind of diving you'll be doing, so you buy appropiate to that need. Next fit and comfort are paramount, after that consider which of the other features you really want and which you consider fluff.

Possibly the only important feature you might overlook is the number and placement of dumps. I consider a bottom dump, often not found on bottom-of-the-line BCs an absolute necessity. I even prefer to have 3 dumps, 2 at the shoulder and one at the bottom. Additional dumps give you the freedom to vent air from your BC in almost any orientation vs. having to turn heads up to vent.

There's no rush, continue to rent, discover what you like and don't, and shop wisely to best suit your personal tastes.
 
An important thing to consider is how will you get it services or supported. Best to work with your LDS. My advise would be simple is better.
 
It comes down to choice, but regs, mask, fins and snorkel would be the first items I would recommend to purchase. Life support taking priority. A rental BCD will most likely be the jacket style variety and won't make much of a difference wherever you visit. As you gain experience it will not matter that much. Adjustable fins will ensure your son won't grow out of them. I would go open heel style as you will be doing warm water diving. The booties are cheap so when he grows out of those no worries. How often will you be diving? A dive computer is also really nice to have. The BCD is also larger and more of pain to pack in addition to taking longer to dry when traveling so perhaps holding off on it may be a better option. Just my thouhgts... Hope this helps.

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Casey, even though you are diving primarily warm waters you need to ask if you plan on doing any local stuff where a heavier suit may be needed. Also do you plan on traveling? Do you own your own tanks? and what are your specific needs. Do you carry lots of stuff that would need to go into pockets or could it just be clipped off? If your answer is yes to the above and given that you have a 13 yr old, and from experience they grow like weeds, your best bet is a system that packs easily, can be changed to meet varying conditions quickly and with little hassle, and in the case of your son could be properly fitted now and easily adjusted as he grows. Only one will do this. Some type of BPW system. There are alot out there. I dive two DSS systems. One for singles and one for doubles. I'm going to go with you worrying only about singles.

First some require single tank adapters or STA's as they are known. The DSS does not. I like the new Hollis line as well but the singles setup do need an STA.

Second if you are using aluminum tanks a stainless steel plate will off set most of the weight of the tank when empty and allow you to dive with less weight on the belt. Now some regular bc's have integrated weights but since switching to a BPW I never use the feature on my jacket bc. Belt is more convenient for me.

Third do you want buckles and clips to get in and out of it. If so you can get the profit harness which has them but most people I have gotten into BPW prefer the straight one piece HOG or hogarthian set up. This would be ideal for your son as to change the size if he really grows you replace about 15 bucks worth of webbing instead of the entire bc. For yourself and hubby it makes sense as well since a hog setup is comfortable, is easy to adjust once you get the hang of it, and if you're buying 3 bc's chances are the cost will be alot less initially and in the long run. A jacket bc with integrated weights from a top of the line mfg can run upwards of 600 bucks or more. there are those in the 400 range but again resale on bc's is not great and what happens when it's time to replace your son's? So essentially you are looking at 4 of them. Now a DSS single tank rig retails for 450 or so with the hog harness. buy 3 and I'll bet you can get a deal from one of tobin's dealers. I could certainly take care of you but I don't do things like this over the net as I belive in selling you one, putting it together, showing you personally how to adjust it, get you in the pool once with it, and even go on a dive or two with you locally. All is included in the price when I sell one.

Now the cons. No pockets- but how many do you really need. Most bc pockets are in the wrong place and hard to get into. Some are better than others but a 21 dollar thigh pocket from Phil Ellis at dive sports glued to your suit is more convenient, and accessible.

Next no integrated weights- ok I've already stated my personal choice on that. belts are cheap, ops usually include them in the price of the dive, and pockets can be hard to replace if you dump em in a few hundred feet of water.

For me integrated weights are fluff, bc pockets are fluff unless they start to redesign them. Jackets bcs have lots of padding that increase the amount of weight you need to carry. A BPW really has no inherent buoyancy to speak of. And ALL of my warm water gear fits into a roller backpack made by oceanic called the atpak.

I can fit my BPW, mask, regs, comp, two small lights, booties, and 3 mil suit in it and it fits in the overhead on planes. THe fins strap to the side and can be quickly removed and stuffed alongside without taking up too much room. All of this weighs about 25 lbs. You could knock 5 lbs off with a kydex plate but then it's more weight on the belt. And lastly and most important you fit the bc to you. You adjust it so that you're not fumbling all the time trying to get it to fit. And you are not trying to fit into the manufacturers idea of what size you are.

I wear a medium jacket bc from one company, another says I'm a large, still yet another will fit me in the small on one style and medium on their other. My BPW fits me all the time the same way. And again it fits me. One of the things you learn in ow from the get go is that the most important feature of gear you wear is that it fits. Not close or almost but fits. Unless you hit one perfect a jacket may not do that. A BPW will. Always if you adjust the way you should and again it's a very simple thing to do that.
 
To add a bit. The reason that I sell them the way I do with the pool and ow time is that there is a myth that BPW'sand backinflates push you forward into the water. THey will IF overinflated. People who have this issue do not take time to learn how to dive these systems properly. It takes about 15 minutes of instruction from a knowledgeable diver. You can also add weights to the tank straps to offset this but it really is rarely necessary. If you'd like more info look up Tobin in the DSS forum and PM him or call him. He is always willing to help or you can PM me and I'll answer your questions as best I can.

As to dumps you really only need two. One on the bottom and your inflator. Any more is overkill IMO. You'll als find it easier to get horizontal in the water and not having all that material across your chest is a very liberating feeling. And I will disagree with some here. 13 is a great time to start him out with his own gear! He'll be more comfortable with his own and for him is the added bonus of complying with rule number 6- Always look cool! And he will!
 
Number 1 reason to buy: You will dive more if you own your own gear.
Number 2 reason to buy: Rental gear is not always available in size you need, or it isn't taken care of the way it should. Some dive destinations never rinse or even service rental gear until it fails when being used - you don't want to be underwater when an inflator sticks!

Your 13yr old can get a great BC right now - just get one that fits him well with all straps adjusted down as tight as they go, then as he grows they can be loosened. I have seen this work for many teens, including my own teen daughter who got certified at 12 and used the same BC until she was 19.

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For your son a BP/W with a single piece harness (hog harness) is the best choice. It is infinitely adjustable. Actually same goes for you as well.

The only problem with BP&W setups is the lack of pockets, so you'd need either a DiveRite thigh pocket with straps, or glue-on neoprene pockets.
http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?product_id=DiveRiteThighPocket

For ease of travel and value you should opt for a small, streamlined, STA-less wing and a kydex or aluminum backplate. If you need additional weight on your back later those can always be added via camband weight pockets.
http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=XsScubaWeightPocket

While I like DSS rigs a lot, for a warm water diver I think this is the best choice, coupled with the smaller size Mach V wing.

Wings-BackPlates
Wings-Single
(look for the 18lbs Mach V signature wing)

I don't think the harness is included. You want the speed harness, which is basically a hogarthian harness without keepers...a good source for these is Scubatoys.

On the DSS side, the alternative would be a Kydex Backplate and the Travel wing with the hog harness, which comes in two versions - with a protective outer shell and without (and a little cheaper) You can buy a complete rig from DSS direct.

And to answer your original question, my take is back-inflate is a must. You won't ever need more than one or two decent sized pockets, couple of D-rings on the chest and on the waist belt. IMHO all plastic bits and pieces, any padding that adds unnecessary buoyancy and integrated weight systems just suck, which is why I recommend a BP&W system.
 
Hello Casey, I have a diving family myself. I recently looked at a BC called a Riptide Zone II, and realized I should have bought it. I might yet. It is a "one size fits most" BC. Small daughter could use it. Nephew comes by, and wants to dive, and could borrow it. Brother comes in from out of town, and could use this, too.

Here is another one-sized BC called a Seahorse:

Seasoft Seahorse BC SHBC01 with reviews at scuba.com

You may want to Google for BC's like this.


Happy diving!
 
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Get a backplate/wing setup. Infinitely adjustable harnesses, and DSS has differently sized backplates; the small one is great for smaller people. Give the owner a call and he'll help you out.
 

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