bad drop: ya pay yer money and take your chances?

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Yep!! S*** happens, many times the guys on the boat are not responsable, they are just told to get in and out, cause in 2 hours...etc..
I have, and I am not kidding you, 2 guys, one of them doing his wreck adventure dive on his advanced, guided them on this wreck dive and not found the wreck (sorry:shakehead ), center decided not to give him another opportunity....and that as a Divemaster:no
Diving is business....:shakehead
 
String:
I still maintain nobody can 100% guess conditions 100% of the time. Occasionally people get it wrong.

No, no one is perfect 100% of the time. However, considering there is a mooring line, completely missing the dive is unnacceptable IMO barring something extraordinary.

If it was a mistake by the part of the crew because they weren't paying attention, etc. then I don't think the customer should have to pay for the dive, not full price anyway. It's called customer service...mistake or not.

You refer to personal responsibility...I am referring to professional responsibility and customer service. We make the mistake, we pay for it. The customer calls the dive because they are cold, scared, can't equalize, seasick, simply doesn't feel like it, then they pay. Customers do not pay for OUR mistakes as professionals.

I actually refunded everyone on the boat for a dive because my DM (a sub that day) made a bad drop and completley missed the highlight of the dive, a famous dive that anyone familiar with Coz will be able to guess. He made a bad call, it wasn't intentional but he made a mistake. No one really complained, but they didn't get what they paid for that day..we paid for it, not the customers.

Thank you John for the kind words...I actually blushed when I read that :)
 
duskdiver:
Diving is business....:shakehead

And in business, there is something to be said for satisfying the customer. That means being responsible for things you should be able to control, accepting what you cannot control, and knowing the difference.

In October, we took a very long boat trip around Yap to get to Miil channel, which is supposed to be one of the greatest places to see Mantas in the world. We were told that it was an iffy proposition that time of the year. When we got there, there was a bad current, and the visibility was so bad we could barely see each other, let alone any mantas that might have been next to us at the time. Tough break. No one's fault. It could have been great, but it was bad. No one complained.

A couple of years ago in Cozumel I was signed up to dive with an operator that has the biggest fleet on the island. I had requested one of the small, fast boats the get to the farthest reefs fastest rather than the bigger and slower boats. Each of the small boats pulled up to the pier and called on people according to their manifests, and when the last boat left, I was alone. I quickly contacted he operator, and they realized that I had been mistakenly left off the manifest of the boat I was supposed to be on, a boat by then well on its way. A quick switch wsa made, and I was placed on on the only boat still available, a big, slow one. It turned out to be a pretty good set of dives. I enjoyed myself, and I offered no complaints.

When I settled up at the end of the week, I was not charged for the trip. "You asked for a small boat, and we made a mistake," said the owner. "You should not have to pay for our mistakes."

I had done a lot of dives for this operator, and I was also reimbursed when a DM misread the current and led us on a dive over sand. The DM should have been able to get that right. It was not rocket science.

On a night dive once, we were going along fine when all of a sudden there was a disturbance in the water. Within a couple of minutes, the current had done a complete reverse, and we went back the way we had come. No problem. That happens.

Most people dive on vacations. They look forward to them, and they plan them carefully. Many people spend all they can reasonably afford for this diving adventure. If bad weather or unusual conditions crop up, they say, "Too bad." If , on the other hand, the operator makes what appears to be a rookie mistake and then shrugs and says, "Oh well," then that operator is not going to get repeat business from that customer.
 
boulderjohn:
And in business, there is something to be said for satisfying the customer. That means being responsible for things you should be able to control, accepting what you cannot control, and knowing the difference.

That pretty much says it all! Thanks John!
 

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