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netmage

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Hey All,

My Dad, Brother and I all got certified last year around May. Brother and I took to the water like fish and have racked up over 100 dives and gone gangbusters in the great lakes and local quarries. Drysuits, reg, tanks, all the gear and are very comfortable in the water.

My Dad is right now around 20-25 dives, 90% warm water. Two trips to the Keys, and a week in the Caymans and maybe 2 dives between Gilboa and Portage. We have a week in Coz coming up in a few weeks. I know he needs some help w/ bouyancy and air cosumption, so for Christmas last year I got him a gift certificate at his LDS to get his AOW & Nitrox. I figured some good quality time w/ an instructor would do him good.

I find out today the dives for his AOW is scheduled the same weekend as DUI Days at Gilboa (Early June) and that the instructors plan is for them to do their deep dive in a drysuit. Let me underscore this - his first drysuit dive will his deep dive. :11:

Dad says they plan on having three instructors/divemasters in the water. Safety diver at the top, a diver at the bottom, and one shutteling students up and down. He didn't know of any pony bottle requirements - but is asking. I'm having him also ask if they will get to try out drysuits in the pool session.

As many times as I've been to Gilboa - I've never dove the deep side. There is nothing over there but some training platforms and a cold dark hole. Last year someone doing a drysuit demo got intermingled with a training class on its way to the deep side and had complications and died. Another diver I know (during his deep training dive) had complications wound up unconcious and ended up taking a chamber ride.

I fail to see why they would take this approach vs. going off the training docks down past the tubes to satisfy the depth requirements vs. subjecting them to a freefall to 120ft. I think I'll talk to Mike about platforms out past the tubes to establish an alternative deep dive scenerio.

For those of you that are familiar w/ Gilboa and/or instructors out there - am I getting worked up over nothing....? What would you do? Either way I told pops he's in for some cold water dives between now and then.
 
IMO, You are not getting worked up over nothing.

I have done a lot of teaching at Gilboa and even more diving there.

It's my opinion that...

some one who needs work on buoyancy control as you say that he does should not be doing a deep dive next.

The first dry suit dive shouldn't be on his first deep dive and I don't give a damn how many safety divers they have in the water. It sounds like just a bounce to the new platform to do the silly AOE deep dive skills and back up the line. Just what in the world is that suppsed to teach!


In addition...

There's no reason to even do the AOW deep dive on the deep side of the quarry at ALL. I take student to the tubes. You hit 60 ft and some change with a bottom under them the whole time. Of course the rout to the tubes slopes down as you go. Once at the tubes we do skills MIDWATER and if every one is comfortable and has plenty of gas we can follow the road bed further to get a little more depth or we drop just over the edge of the wall to 80 ft or so and follow the wall sloping back up towards the buss. Then we take our time working our way back from the buss to the dock spending plenty of time shallow after the deep portion of the dive.
 
First drysuit dive is a deep dive. No way is this prudent or responsible. Only a fool of an instructor would suggest it, and only an uninformed diver would go along with the plan.

Please intercede. We could discuss the dangers of this for weeks and cover pages of board space, but it is just too obvious to need such!

theskull
 
netmage:
Hey All,

<snip> For those of you that are familiar w/ Gilboa and/or instructors out there - am I getting worked up over nothing....? What would you do? Either way I told pops he's in for some cold water dives between now and then.

PADI (I assume he's PADI?) requires a confined water session for people without drysuit experience. Maximum depth on the DS dives is 30mtr. No recommended depth. Indirect supervision is permitted. 2 dives. Pony bottles are not required by standards.

I can't say anything about the location. I've never been there but what I can say is that I would personally put off finalizing planning the open water dives until after having seen them in the pool. People vary vastly in how fast they pick up on DS technique.

R..
 
I have quite a few dives and thought my bouyancy was pretty good. Just got my drysuit and have 4 dives in it so far. I am still staying pretty shallow. I would not have wanted to go deep the first dive.

Follow your gut instinct!
 
Juls64:
I have quite a few dives and thought my bouyancy was pretty good. Just got my drysuit and have 4 dives in it so far. I am still staying pretty shallow. I would not have wanted to go deep the first dive.

Follow your gut instinct!

In fact, a drysuit is often easier to control deep than shallow. Problem is *IF* it gets away from you and you don't react properly then your problems are more high-blood-pressure inducing. Personally I would have reservations about combining DS and deep...... Your first deep dive makes a big enough impression without the extra task-loading.

BTW a messy ascent from 60ft isn't much less scary than one from 100 ft.

R..
 
I am also going for my AOW this weekend in a ds. The three of us who are in the AOW class were in the pool the other night getting used to the suit, orientation. Our first dive is also the deep dive which will be about 90 ft. I was worried at first before i had the suit on but after giving it a go i think we will be alright.
 
Finished up the AOW this weekend with a DS and loved it. It took a few of the dives to get used to but by the end of the weekend i noticed myself getting a lot better with it.
 
just a thing about safety...

when you try to teach someone to sail, they often ask what is the best time to change (shorten) the sails? The answer is: when you start to think about it!

I ussually apply the same rule to diving! If you start to think about the safety of some procedure this should be a clear sign that this procedure is not safe for you (remember that I'm not saying that they are unsafe generally, but unsafe for you!) - or to put it simply - you are not confident enough to do it!!!

remember this
 
I was very confident about using it but i did understand the risks behind a DS. I knew that i could tackle the DS but that it would take practice doing so. I just knew the risks were higher for me since i never used one but confidence was never an issue.
 

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