Aluminum K-valves

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Picked up an old pair of AL80's today from the 70's. Guy said the valves on them are made from Aluminum (instead of brass).

Anyone out there know any history on these?

they are a little shorter with an all black finish. Weight is 0.5 lbs
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Have you taken them off the cylinders?? A brass valve will weight approximately 3x more than a similar valve made from aluminum. That said I have nerve heard of an aluminum value (not saying it is not possible).
 
Weighs 0.5 lbs
 
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I have a half dozen of them, but I don't know the history. The ones I have are both J and K versions. I use them, not for breathing, but for teaching classes. When I teach a class on repair or O2 cleaning with them, I like them in my travel kit because the do weigh less. If you want to get rid of them, ill give you $10 each for them. Would be willing to bu one or both if your wanting to sell. Just send me a email at tanktest@gmail.com
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People used to use aluminum valves and regulators on medical oxygen tanks. This turned out to be a bad idea.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-107.pdf
The aluminum valves and regulators had nothing to do with the fires.

Direct quote from the report-

"The construction materials of the regulators, valves, seals, and oxygen cylinders are not listed because flash fires have occurred with all types of construction."

The two main causes were-
1) NOT O2 CLEAN
2) Opening the valves too quickly


From page 18-

CONTRIBUTING FACTORS

The fire incidents described in the report include one or more of the following contributing factors. The construction materials of the regulators, valves, seals, and oxygen cylinders are not listed because flash fires have occurred with all types of construction.The following factors are issues to avoid:

  • Internal hydrocarbon contamination of the regulator or regulator parts. Only equipment and parts designed for oxygen service should be attached to oxygen gas cylinders. Repairs to regula- tors and oxygen equipment must be done in clean facilities using tools cleaned for oxygen service. Store spare cleaned regulators in sealed containers such as a plastic bag to keep them free of dust, etc.

  • Contamination of the surfaces and areas which mate the oxygen cylinder to the regulator with combustible materials. Example contaminants consist of dirty hands, cleaning solutions, dust, tape residue, and possibly skin oils and lotions. Protect spare cylinder valves with clean covers, caps, plastic bags, or plugs.

  • The use of dirty tools and parts on oxygen regulators. Inadequate cleaning to remove combustible materials such as oils, greases, soldering ux, and solvent residues has contributed to the ash re hazard.

  • Equipment cleaning agents that have not been tested and found suitable for use with oxygen. Some agents may leave behind residues that could be dangerous and other agents may have limited effec- tiveness and may not remove all contaminants.

  • Petroleum based lubricants. Such products must not be used on parts that come into contact with oxygen, especially high-pressure areas. Lubrication must be limited to special materials and is usually avoided in equipment used with used with pure oxygen.

  • Internal contamination from metal particles and akes from inside high-pressure cylinders and valves have accumulated on regulator lters. Inspection and maintenance of oxygen cylinder interiors should help to identify rust and corrosion that can be a source of particles and akes. Rough handling and completely emptying cylinders can accelerate the production of such metal particles.

  • The rapid opening of cylinder valves and the "on" position of ow regulators. High-pressure cylinder valves need to be opened slowly to bring the regulator’s internal parts to pressure slowly. Flow valves should be off or at the zero ow position. Doing so minimizes the heat of com- pression and allows the heat to dissipate before ignition temperature is reached.
 
The aluminum valves and regulators had nothing to do with the fires.

Direct quote from the report-

"The construction materials of the regulators, valves, seals, and oxygen cylinders are not listed because flash fires have occurred with all types of construction."

The two main causes were-
1) NOT O2 CLEAN
2) Opening the valves too quickly


From page 18-

CONTRIBUTING FACTORS

The fire incidents described in the report include one or more of the following contributing factors. The construction materials of the regulators, valves, seals, and oxygen cylinders are not listed because flash fires have occurred with all types of construction.The following factors are issues to avoid:

  • Internal hydrocarbon contamination of the regulator or regulator parts. Only equipment and parts designed for oxygen service should be attached to oxygen gas cylinders. Repairs to regula- tors and oxygen equipment must be done in clean facilities using tools cleaned for oxygen service. Store spare cleaned regulators in sealed containers such as a plastic bag to keep them free of dust, etc.

  • Contamination of the surfaces and areas which mate the oxygen cylinder to the regulator with combustible materials. Example contaminants consist of dirty hands, cleaning solutions, dust, tape residue, and possibly skin oils and lotions. Protect spare cylinder valves with clean covers, caps, plastic bags, or plugs.

  • The use of dirty tools and parts on oxygen regulators. Inadequate cleaning to remove combustible materials such as oils, greases, soldering ux, and solvent residues has contributed to the ash re hazard.

  • Equipment cleaning agents that have not been tested and found suitable for use with oxygen. Some agents may leave behind residues that could be dangerous and other agents may have limited effec- tiveness and may not remove all contaminants.

  • Petroleum based lubricants. Such products must not be used on parts that come into contact with oxygen, especially high-pressure areas. Lubrication must be limited to special materials and is usually avoided in equipment used with used with pure oxygen.

  • Internal contamination from metal particles and akes from inside high-pressure cylinders and valves have accumulated on regulator lters. Inspection and maintenance of oxygen cylinder interiors should help to identify rust and corrosion that can be a source of particles and akes. Rough handling and completely emptying cylinders can accelerate the production of such metal particles.

  • The rapid opening of cylinder valves and the "on" position of ow regulators. High-pressure cylinder valves need to be opened slowly to bring the regulator’s internal parts to pressure slowly. Flow valves should be off or at the zero ow position. Doing so minimizes the heat of com- pression and allows the heat to dissipate before ignition temperature is reached.
Interesting. I was coming from the medical field with my reply. Used to work as a paramedic and we were always told that aluminum valves could be dangerous, especially if there was a small leak in the fitting. Just one of those myths that's keeps getting perpetuated though I guess. Thanks for the facts!
 
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