All weight in plate?

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jplacson:
Just wondering... if you're weighted properly... this means empty suit, empty BC, 500psi in your tank(s) ... you should be neutral at 15' right? This being so, let's say you're in a 6 or 7mm suit, how much buoyancy do you lose at depth from the 7mm suit? Isn't that the only weight (plus the air in your tanks assuming a problem at the beginning of the dive) you'll be finning against?
Actually you should be neutrally buoyant at the surface (where do people get this 15' stuff from?), so you can control your entire ascent.

Your wetsuit buoyancy loss varies greatly depending on the type, size and age of the wetsuit. You can also be finning against additional air in your tank, any objects you picked up or are carrying and in emergencies you may want to help a buddy too.
 
ScubaRon:
Actually you should be neutrally buoyant at the surface (where do people get this 15' stuff from?), so you can control your entire ascent.
And, for the same reason, as close to 0 psi as possible. Where do they get this stuff? From instructors who don't know how to dive...

Last time I was in Cozumel we dropped by the shop as soon as we arrived to do a buoyancy check from shore where the shop was located. The DM pointed to one of two groups of cylindres and said "Those are the full ones." I headed for the other group, found one with about 200 psi in it and got my weighting sorted out at no more than 5' as I sucked the cylinder down to less than the IP (but not completely empty).

Dialed in for the vacation...

Roak
 
lamont:
what about having ditchable weight to be able to respond to a flooded drysuit? (and either a ripped BCD, or a double malfunction that takes out the BCD)

Lamont,

If you flood your drysuit you'll be cold. If you're cold enough long enough you'll go hypothermic, but that's a different issue.

A flooded drysuit, if its being used properly (e.g. just enough gas inside it to offset extreme suit-squeeze), would actually alter the diver's bouyancy very little. The drysuit provides thermal protection, mostly, not bouyancy. The diver uses the BC or wing for bouyancy. Flooding your drysuit would present thermal problems, true, but not necessarily significant bouyancy problems.

A failure that compromises the BC/wing is different - for example, a corregated rubber hose pulling out of the fitting where it connects to the BC, or a slit caused by encountering a sharp edge in a wreck.

Leaving aside the probability of such things occurring, IF they occurred initially there are the same considerations outlined above. The diver cannot surface regardless. The diver must first exit the cave or wreck and/or complete the required decompression before surfacing anyway.

A loss of bouyancy can be problematic, but not in all cases. Caves have floors and wrecks have decks - the diver is not going to sink far. In either case they could hand over hand out. A deep dive off a wall may pose more immediate concern.

This is one reason why technical divers carry liftbags and/or Surface Marker Bouys (SMB). There are numerous options to respond to loss of bouyancy: 'deploy the bag on a reel and swim up while reeling in'; 'attach the device to a crotchstrap D-ring and achieve neutral bouyancy with it' (try it before saying it can't be done - if you work at it in a quarry it can indeed be done with practice); and so on...

More importantly, technical diving is done in teams. Not merely buddy pairs, the idea of team implies a group of divers (two is only a minimum, three is almost always better) who regularly practice together, 'chalk-talk' or discuss dive planning and emergency response together, and conduct dives together as a team. Should the things you suggest occur to one member, it is the team that responds collectively to bring everyone home. The team is the ace in the hole for almost any problem any individual member could have.

Hope this helps,

Doc
 
FFMDiver:
Hello:

Very dumb question here:
Does anyone place all weight in thier plate via channel weights or P weights?
If so, what has been your experience with this setup?

Thank you.

I do. When diving dry with lots and lots of undergarments, I have my SS BP, an 8 pound channel weight, and a small weight belt with 6 pounds (and dropping).

When I wear not so much in the way of undergarments, I leave the weight belt in the trunk.

When not diving dry, I have a 3mm and the 6 pound plate alone works great.
 
I am still trying to sort out the perfect weight and weight placement. In a 7mm wet suit and ss bp w/ channel wt, I am too top heavy - that is, I have the tendency to roll over on my back. I ditch the channel weight and put weight on the front part of my weight belt and the roll is minimized.

However, I find that this causes my waist/legs to drift down which forces me to invert my back whilst frog kicking. I'm still not certain what the best placement is. I guess it's one of those things that you have to play with.

Also, keep in mind that reels, lights will affect your trim. I used to wonder why I used to drift slightly high on my right side - it turned out that my disposible uw camera in my thigh pouch was providing enough buoyancy to throw me off.

I used to think that I needed to have ditchable weight. Of course, this is when I was carrying 26 lbs!
 

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