Aliens in our seas ? What is this ?

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calypsonick

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Ran into these guys all strung together in modular, transparent yet hard casings. Each casing had a valve which was opening and closing providing propulsion for the ~1.5 meter long string of these things.

Some suggested that it is a "salp" but if I am not wrong, that is a string of pelagic tunicates (sea squirts) and they are usually very soft and jelly-like.

These on the other hand look like egg casings with embryonic critters developing inside.

http://www.scubaboard.com/gallery/data/500/98744-10-10bf_044.jpg

Any clues?

Thanks
Nick
 
calypsonick:
Ran into these guys all strung together in modular, transparent yet hard casings. Each casing had a valve which was opening and closing providing propulsion for the ~1.5 meter long string of these things.

Some suggested that it is a "salp" but if I am not wrong, that is a string of pelagic tunicates (sea squirts) and they are usually very soft and jelly-like.

These on the other hand look like egg casings with embryonic critters developing inside.

http://www.scubaboard.com/gallery/data/500/98744-10-10bf_044.jpg

Any clues?

Thanks
Nick

You may want to PM "MB" as he has taken it upon himself to be the boards resident Tunicate afficionado.
 
Urochordate differentiation is not my specialty, but I am an invertebrate zoologist and can straighten out some things. Narrow down too.

"Planktonic tunicates" is a commonly misused term. The correct application for it is towards salps (thaliaceans), and larvaceans (appendicularians), which really aren't even true tunicates anyway. That honor belongs to the sea squirts (ascideans), which are only planktonic as larvae. Every time I hear the term "planktonic tunicates" I have to check myself from a quick retort, as it's a contradiction in terms.

So far as I know larvaceans are not colonial, and their "houses" are flimsy mucous. The actual animal is a little tadpole-thing wriggling around inside.

Salps come in solitary and colonial forms. They're subdivided into the pyrosomes, salpids ("true" salps), and doliolids. I'm well acquainted with pyrosomes, and the things in that photo don't look like 'em. I'll leave out the technical anatomical jargon.

Salpids and doliolids have a colonial phase comprised of asexual clones. The two groups are best distinguished by their circular muscle bands, "complete" in doliolids and "incomplete" in salpids. Here is where my knowledge fades. I haven't seen enough diagrams or photos of each type to distinguish between the two groups. I can't even identify muscles from your photo, much less see how "complete" they are. On the plus side, most marine biologists still call salps "pelagic tunicates", and don't know enough about marine invertebrates to go any further than what's in a Humann guide. This saddens me constantly.

As for the egg case analogy, that's a good one. Thaliacean integument tends to have this appearance. However, if you actually grabbed the things, you'd soon find out that's all jelly. It's just more organized than the mesoglea folks commonly see in jellyfishes and comb jellies.

I've been going through my texts trying to find a diagram or photo that matches the internal features shown in your photo. I see similarities, but not enough for definitive tagging. A true urochordate or salp specialist would know, 'course I don't know any offhand. Got any more photos?
 
Thanks archman! Unfortunately, no other photos. So, the fact that the outside clear casing was quite rigid and spikey (I had to hold on to it lightly to keep it from moving for the photo), does not eliminate the possibility that these are colonial tunicates?
 
calypsonick:
Unfortunately, no other photos.
Well, then, you're just gonna have to go back and get some more! :)
I'm guessing some sort of shell egg case, but have nothing beyond "general morphology" and some suspicious striations along with your description on which to base that guess.
I would not put any money on my guess.
Rick
 
I showed the picture to my boss, who once again shamed my knowledge. She identified it as a thaliacean the second I brought the image up, ran back to her office to get a book, and had it tagged to genus within four minutes.

The critter in the photo is most likely Thetys, a salpid thaliacean (true salp) found throughout the world's oceans. The little red patch on the left speciment is probably rhodopsin pigment.

Thetys' integument is described as "spiny looking" and "firm". Obviously the spines are visible in the photo. The circular muscle bands are not visible.

The book that was referenced is gorgeously endowed with color photos of various jelly plankton. It's the "Pacific Coast Pelagic Invertebrates", co-authored by Claudia Mills up at Friday Harbor marine lab. She knows her stuff. I'm ordering a copy of this book asap, it's so stinking nice.
 
Ive never seen or heard of those things before! what do they taste like? are they jellies?
 
Zoe83:
Ive never seen or heard of those things before! what do they taste like? are they jellies?

They are excellent steamed, served over a bed of angel hair pasta smothered in a sauce made from sea cucumber gibblets. The rhodopsin can be separated to make a delightful pate' or mixed with a yeast extract and spread on donuts.
They can also be dried and made into Mardi Gras necklaces or woven into a nautical blanket.
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/teric/

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