AIR 2 O-Ring assist

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racerken

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Hi,

I have an AIR 2 which needs new O-rings.

does anyone know which part number to order from McMaster or Grainger?

The part is the Air Barrel Assembly with 2 x O-rings which are about .1" thick and about .5" wide.

here are some pictures.





Thanks,

Ken
 
They're 109's SP PN 01-050-385. MC PN 9557K149 Correct 70 shore EPDM
 
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Since you went to the trouble to micrometer the o-ring, here's a way to do it yourself:
You're looking for AS568 o-rings if they're Imperial, or Metric sizes if they're metric.
The standard is to measure the width of the ring material itself, as you did - in your case, 0.103"
Then, the convention is to measure the ID of the o-ring, not the OD. Subtracting 2 x .103 from the 0.507" you measured yields an ID of 0.301" (which you could have measured directly).

Now Google "AS568 o-ring size" and you'll get a link like this:
O-ring Sizing Chart

From this chart you'll see that a material diam of 0.103" and an ID of 0.301" corresponds most closely to a 2-109 o-ring, just like steveharriss noted:

-109 .103"+-.003" .299"+-.003" Nominal OD: .500"

You can do a similar search if the o-ring appears to be metric.

The only issue left is the hardness of the o-ring, (or duro or Shore).
For low pressure o-rings, 70 duro is most common. For the HP o-ring inside 1st stages, 90 duro is common. With some practice, you can tell the approximate duro (between those two) by squeezing a fresh o-ring. That doesn't apply if you're replacing a hard dried-up old buna-N oring. You can't tell what the duro was.

McMaster Carr has a rough guide to duro hardness in their catalog. Something about comparing with a shoe sole, etc.
 
Hi Rsingler,
Thanks for the details on o-ring selection. Just out of curiosity, how do you know that the measurements of an old o-ring is the proper original sizing? For example, when o-rings wear, do they shrink or do they swell?

Thanks,

Ken
 
Short and easy answer is you don't know. Best to know the sizing from manufacturer specifications. Just happens your o-rings are in pretty decent shape anyway. External o-rings are only ever going to get bigger
 
Commonly, when O-rings dry out, the OD's will "seem" to get smaller as they stay compressed into the sleeve that surrounded them in the regulator. Really it's just a reshaping. They won't "wear" at all. If that sort of friction is occurring, the o-ring will get chewed up and you'll have a ring failure (usually from lack of lube, or too soft a duro).
The best way to try to estimate what goes in place for a given regulator where you don't have a chart is to measure the diameter of the groove or land that it surrounds. In other words, you're measuring the Internal Diameter of the O-ring. Then pick the o-ring that is about 3-6% less in circumference, or 1-2% less in diameter. Since most of the rings we are talking about are standard 1/16" O-rings, they'll come from the AS568 chart. Unless they're metric, of course. When you fit them, they'll stretch then, about 3%. There are exceptions, like the wiper O-rings that are designed to be "sloppy" in the groove in which they sit (like the second o-ring on the white duro poppet of the G-250). But generally, sizes are designed around a slight stretch.

That said, a few O-rings have a little smaller outside diameter and ring thickness than the 1.78mm of the standard 1/16" AS568 oring. So if you put a standard 2-series ring in, it will fit too tightly and maybe get skinned on the outside as you try to insert it. A perfect example is the Scubapro 108/109/Bal Adj/G-250 orifice o-ring, which by ID seems to be a standard 2-010 oring. But that turns out to be a really tight fit, so a -902 o-ring actually works better.
Again, consulting the AS568 chart and comparing it with some available documents from the manufacturer will help you choose when you can't get a factory o-ring. For example, in another thread http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/re...e-o-ring-equivalence-table-sp-apeks-regs.html in Repairing Your Own Gear, I added a ScubaPro chart from the old days that gives exact sizes for the O-rings on a lot of vintage regulators. Easy way to compare and then select a desired AS568 o-ring.

To ensure I'm not giving you contrary info to the previous post, while I noted that the OD's seem to get smaller when stuck inside a piston sleeve (for example), that is the same sort of reshaping that I think steveharris is referring to above. The ID's of orings may get larger as they sit with a 3-6% stretch for a long time and then harden. In that case the ID's are bigger, as he suggested. But you can get a good guess by using a micrometer to check the diameter of the land and then subtracting 1-2%. Of course, we haven't gotten to the friction issue caused by using a non-factory o-ring that may have been designed for a special application (e.g., HP piston shaft). You'll find lots of threads that debate Buna-N vs Viton vs EPDM vs Teflon for various applications. So correct sizing (and duro) is the first step. Starting with Buna-N won't usually get you too far off base, but I'd make sure I dive a newly overhauled reg where you've done some experimenting at shallow depths where you can bail out, before you try cold/deep water with your own choice of o-ring. There's loads of advice on this issue on SB.

Hope this helps!
 
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Wow. Interesting, i work with all sort of things that fly high and fast but I don't know beans aobut how and why these engineers pick o-rings... I'm going to have to re-read your post about 2 more times.

BTW, if anyone wants o-rings, just send me a PM, the size you need and I'll send you what you want. I purchased about 100 each of buna-n shore 70 o-rings.
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https://www.shearwater.com/products/perdix-ai/

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