Adventure Dives Vs Adventure Diver Vs Advanced Open Water (PADI)

[DogDiver]

Hmmmmm adventure dive...... Sounds a lot like a "trust me" dive. [emoji51]


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[kelemvor]

Hmmmmm adventure dive...... Sounds a lot like a "trust me" dive.

Isn't that what happens as you progress in training?

 

[CuzzA]

Maybe. Maybe not.

I have seen people with 500 dives who did them all in benign resort conditions and who look like they haven't learned a thing in the last 450 dives. I know people with 100 dives who are well into technical training who would make them look like absolute chumps.

Of course, but that would be the exception not the rule. I think most would agree the more you do something the better you get. With every dive I do, the better I get. Skills and techniques are becoming engraved into my brain. A good analogy is golfing. If I spend a couple days a week hitting the links for a summer I'm a much better golfer from the time I started to the time I evaluated myself.

As far as credit goes this is from PADI's website. I assume the term "may" means you must tell your instructor you want the dive to be credited toward a future AOW certification.

https://www.padi.com/scuba-diving/padi-courses/course-catalog/deep-diver-course/

Also, the first dive of this PADI Specialty Diver course may credit as an Adventure Dive toward your Advanced Open Water Diver certification – ask your instructor about earning credit.

I thought perhaps this video would be relevant to the discussion and emphasize what many of us have said.

Here's a perfect example that only you are in charge of your dives. Not a license. Not a certificate. Not an agency. Not even a DM. Here these two guys are diving outside their training even on a guided dive who stated prior to the dive non-AOW divers aren't allowed to dive deep.

The bottom line is it's the individuals responsibility to dive within their training and do dives they are comfortable doing. Had these two guys had the deep training they may not have came so close to death. Although, based on this video they may not have survived any depth. Fortunately for them another diver was able to save their lives.

[video=youtube;wTQFcBIyqH8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=wTQFcBIyqH8[/video]

 

[boulderjohn]

Of course, but that would be the exception not the rule. I think most would agree the more you do something the better you get. With every dive I do, the better I get. Skills and techniques are becoming engraved into my brain. A good analogy is golfing. If I spend a couple days a week hitting the links for a summer I'm a much better golfer from the time I started to the time I evaluated myself.

I like the golf analogy. I was relatively poor when I took up the game, and I could not afford expensive lessons. As I practiced on my own, I got better and better at what I was doing, but I was not really getting good. Then I took some lessons and learned that what I was doing was wrong--I was getting better and better at doing what I was not supposed to be doing. As I took lessons, I finally started getting a whole lot better, but it was really, really, really hard to overcome all the bad habits I had thoroughly ingrained into my swing over many years of doing things wrong. I still have one really bad habit I just cannot seem to eradicate. I sure wish I had had that corrected from the start.

Look at the people you see on a typical resort area dive, the people swimming along in a 45° angle, kicking the reef, overweighted, and waving their hands. How many dives of practicing swimming like that will it take to get them swimming the way they should? Activities like golf and scuba are a lot like going on a trip-- can't get to your destination until you know where it is.

 

[TMHeimer]

Simple solution to a fairly unimportant question: PADI (or whatever agency, etc.) issues your Adventure Diver card with writing on it that "Deep Dive was done". Ths would help dive ops know for sure no one faked a deep dive in their log book (as if--who would?) But PADI doesn't put extra stuff like that on cards (exception maybe the nitrox one saying "up to 40% 02). The Master Card doesn't list the specialties you took. So much for trivia.

 

[Neilwood]

I like the golf analogy. I was relatively poor when I took up the game, and I could not afford expensive lessons. As I practiced on my own, I got better and better at what I was doing, but I was not really getting good. Then I took some lessons and learned that what I was doing was wrong--I was getting better and better at doing what I was not supposed to be doing. As I took lessons, I finally started getting a whole lot better, but it was really, really, really hard to overcome all the bad habits I had thoroughly ingrained into my swing over many years of doing things wrong. I still have one really bad habit I just cannot seem to eradicate. I sure wish I had had that corrected from the start.

Look at the people you see on a typical resort area dive, the people swimming along in a 45° angle, kicking the reef, overweighted, and waving their hands. How many dives of practicing swimming like that will it take to get them swimming the way they should? Activities like golf and scuba are a lot like going on a trip-- can't get to your destination until you know where it is.

I think a lot of this type of action comes down to attitude. Some people are more self aware than others. Taking golf as an example - some people will go for lessons to get better, others will happily hack at the ball for hours and complain about the results without even thinking "I am doing something wrong here".

When I am diving (or most other activities tbh) I am trying as far as possible to be aware of my surroundings, what I am doing and how to improve it. So for diving, I am continuously assessing my trim, checking my gauge/computer and trying to make sure I am not kicking the bottom. While doing that, I am watching others in the group with considerably more experience( about 50 dives compared to my 8) and certification (AOW as opposed to my OW) yo-yoing up and down, swimming at 45°, kicking the bottom etc.

Unfortunately, it is quite hard to change these types of people.