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Lumba Lumba Pulau Weh Serious Safety Concerns and a dangerous incident
Forums plongée Plongeur.com - Lumba Lumba Resort
Written by Ton Egbers, Operational Director and Co-owner.
First of all, before anything else:
Of course we were also terribly shocked to hear about one of our outboard engines catching fire, our boat driver getting cuts and burns and Dorien, our diving guest from Belgium getting hit by the boat and her wetsuit caught in the propeller plus a cut in her foot after that!!! And just as any other diver having made safety stops with propellers going overhead, body still, but imagination running, we fully realize it could have been much worse. So we are also extremely glad Dorien and Aruls injuries only needed limited medical care, healed all well in two, three weeks or so in both their cases, and apart from some minor scarring that will remain, has not lead to any lasting disability for either of them. Doriens own story regarding this you can find elsewhere on this thread/the web.
DELAY IN REPLY
That we were shocked, but that it took us so long to give a statement ourselves, was not because we didnt care. Having first set up in 98, then built our own centre in 02, no business during 03-04 because of Acehs conflict, and then rebuilt after the tsunami: Of course we do!
But first there was a practical and later a more principal reason:
At the time the accident happened we were on a trip back to the Netherlands. And very unfortunately we werent notified immediately, despite the importance of the matter. So we were actually extra shocked when we got the bad news, as it was only first through DAN Asia Pacific that we were approached on Friday 20 May about the accident, which was already over 3 weeks after it had happened! So NO ONE had told us about it yet, including none of our crew. That our crew did not mention it may seem bad to many, but actually there's quite a number of positive reasons for it, especially the recovery of the Belgium diver and her appreciation of our care. To explain more of their valid reasons, would talk too long at this stage. But on a positive note from us about our own Indonesian employees coordinating matters when we are away, at least it shows that they are willing to accept responsibility at high level themselves.
Now maybe because we knew too late and could not assess ourselves to what extend ALL people visiting Lumba Lumba at that time were shocked or traumatized by the accident, it took too long for us to contact the writer of the report or any others of his group about it. Assuming the best intentions of most people, and estimating the date of DAN contacting us, and the postings of Albion hitting the web, he may have actually waited, hoping for a direct personal reaction from us first before finally pushing the "report" button. But just like some other bad coincidences regarding this accident, that apparently wasn't meant to happen, we didnt know about it yet
Then after we heard, you can see that it still took us quite some time to come up with this reply as well. Again, that wasnt because we didnt care, no precisely the opposite, because we DO care: We know it takes time for a thorough reply. Of course we could just quickly say something at that stage, but theres already enough yes/no, is/is not, like/dislike, I assume, probably, maybe etc, etc, discussions on many forums, and often blurring the main thread.
So we needed to know more of what happened and what followed, of which knowing Doriens and Aruls condition clearly stood above all. When we heard Dorien was doing fine and when we got our first crew reports about the accident including hearing Arul was doing fine as well, we immediately reported back to DAN on Monday 23 May with our initial findings. Then after that we had our last days in Holland, be in transit on the way back, and it couldnt be earlier than last Friday morning, 3 June (no fishing/dive boats going out on Friday morning in Aceh), before we could do an elaborate staff meeting as a first session for fact finding and preliminary analysis.
So now this has taken place, I think I can finally give a response that gives as much of a complete view on things as possible. Thats with the status of information as I have it now.
Thank you for bearing with me this far already, but because quite some comments of contributors expressed doubt (or worse) about our emotional and/or professional commitment, I did feel it necessary to underline that we DO care! How can people assume otherwise, its our own business and 20 families from the islands local villages directly depend on it for a living, plus 2 young teenage boys that we foster
BIAS
Now when covering all details of the story, of course its a representation of things AS I SEE IT. But very importantly, its also what my wife Marjan, and Din, our main Indonesian executive all agree on. Sure, thats still very subjective. But it cant be otherwise. So I think it is most honest to highlight 3 aspects of our own bias which highly influence our (dive) operating policies:
- Knowing rules, regulations and guidelines is important. But knowing them to the letter is not what matters: its understanding what they are meant for.
Yes, Im fully aware that this is quite a tricky thing to say at this stage, when were discussing smoking issues and the accident of an engine fire, but hey, we can only save the world one beer at a time Now please dont immediately start blogging me to death at this stage, its not my intention to make fun of Albions own motto at all. Totally on the contrary, Im honestly trying to relate here, because that is of course what I meant when I indicated that maybe were not totally at the end of the world, but certainly at one of Indonesias ends. And most men here still smoke (BTW, Arul, the senior boatdriver is a non-smoker), a lot of our customers still smoke, so yes, we can only change the world with one smoker quitting at a time, and others not to starting either. Just a pity I didnt understand his way of saying things that stressy evening before I left to Holland
(Marjan and me quit 10 years ago, but clearly havent become more Catholic than the Pope)
But lets not get ahead of things here. So though risky, I still state the line above, as Marjan and me have mixed dive educational roots, both CMAS and PADI, both club and commercial, and this is strongly determining our diving policies.
- Doing It Right can also be done left handed
What we mean here, is that theres often not just one way of doing things, in fact, usually there are numerous ways of doing things. For example, a diver gears up and you dont know anything about him (or her), and he puts his weigh belt on in such a way that its the other way around. Then instead of pointing out that the diver is putting his weight belt on the wrong way (suggesting you know the right way*), we think a better approach could be: I noticed you put on your weight belt the other way around than usual, you have any special reason for it?. It doesnt have to be as obvious as a one armed/handed diver (BTW, we had one becoming PADI DM with us), but it can be an experienced left handed solo diver for example. Or yes, probably its just Oops, didnt pay attention, yes wrong way around, thank you .
So seeing someone do something differently than you assume to be the rule, does not mean that another person is necessarily doing it wrong. That person may very deliberately deviate from what you think is right for very good reasons!
BTW, Im just normal, right handed myself.
(* Im not suggesting PADI, CMAS or SSI state such a rule, actually they dont. But many instructors do, and in my 2002 version of the SDI OW manual its mentioned on p. 39. This just to avoid blog blurring.)
- And, last but not least: We cant be friends with everyone.
Again a tricky thing to say when confronted with such heavy criticism as mentioned in many posts on these threads. But we all befriend, ignore and defriend people on a daily basis, either with the click of a mouse, or through more direct social interaction. Well, when running a dive centre in a fairly remote location with very deep sites and dominated by currents that can be extremely strong AND unpredictable like we have in Pulau Weh, then of course its sometimes quite difficult how to phrase things telling a diver that he or she is maybe not be up for a certain dive yet, like joining to our site shark plateau for example. Or joining on a decompression dive to our deep wreck, the Sophie Rickmers. Theres surely some people who really dont like no for an answer.
And then of course theres very now and again the odd customer, who may get kicked out of a restaurant because he or she is misbehaving so much, that all the people at other tables start calling the waiter to pay and leave ..
Ok, so now that you also know what bias I have when writing all the following, lets finally look at the
FACTS, FEELINGS . AND FICTION
When still pursuing a corporate career before turning my hobby to a business (originally Im an aerospace engineer), I learned a short phrase that was useful for dealing with conflicts with two or more parties involved. If you want to find a way out of the conflict in a manner thats sufficiently acceptable to all parties, its not enough to just look at the facts, but we also have to look at the feelings of all involved. But what these last few weeks have shown me as well, is that now when the internet gets involved, it proves to be a strong catalyst for something that didnt play such a big role in my work 20 years ago: Theres not only facts and feelings, but when the feelings (read emotions or convictions) are strong enough, people are also willing to introduce quite some fiction next to facts, mainly to try and give their post much more importance and attention than it deserves...
Now probably we all exaggerate occasionally or enhance things a bit, but with some of the post I have seen - and others noticed as well the issues mentioned are really quite extreme. Then please consider the fact that Lumba Lumba already operates since 1998, and over the years mainly received good reviews. And still gets mails with compliments, also from people that were here the last few weeks after the accident. Also consider that all of these extreme postings are just from the last 6 weeks or so. As owners, my wife and me are still the same people. And staff, policies, and equipment don't change overnight. Well, there is a good saying about deals we regularly get offered by spam or pop-ups or whatever: If the deal seems too good to be true, then most probably IT IS (too good to be true). Well, please judge for yourself, but I have definitely spotted some post where I know that the opposite also holds: If a story sounds too bad to be true, then probably it is too bad to be true! I could point out quite a few remarks in different posts that are really fiction, but this report is already long enough as it is. So Im not going to pay attention to all that, as I think you can all spot the fiction, the Baron von Munchhausen stories, easily yourself.
Now again, dont get me wrong here, Im not trying to discredit the main issue of the report as untrue, not at all, THE ACCIDENT DID HAPPEN!
OK, so finally what its all about:
(continue to part 2)
Reply to the following threads:
Singapore Scuba Diving Forum » Scuba Diving Destinations » South East Asia » Lumba Lumba Pulau Weh Serious Safety Concerns and a dangerous incident
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ac...rious-safety-concerns-dangerous-incident.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/scuba-related-court-cases/382738-danger-lumba-lumba-palau-weh.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/indonesia/348920-pulau-weh-resort-3.html
Lumba Lumba Pulau Weh Serious Safety Concerns and a dangerous incident
Forums plongée Plongeur.com - Lumba Lumba Resort
Written by Ton Egbers, Operational Director and Co-owner.
First of all, before anything else:
Of course we were also terribly shocked to hear about one of our outboard engines catching fire, our boat driver getting cuts and burns and Dorien, our diving guest from Belgium getting hit by the boat and her wetsuit caught in the propeller plus a cut in her foot after that!!! And just as any other diver having made safety stops with propellers going overhead, body still, but imagination running, we fully realize it could have been much worse. So we are also extremely glad Dorien and Aruls injuries only needed limited medical care, healed all well in two, three weeks or so in both their cases, and apart from some minor scarring that will remain, has not lead to any lasting disability for either of them. Doriens own story regarding this you can find elsewhere on this thread/the web.
DELAY IN REPLY
That we were shocked, but that it took us so long to give a statement ourselves, was not because we didnt care. Having first set up in 98, then built our own centre in 02, no business during 03-04 because of Acehs conflict, and then rebuilt after the tsunami: Of course we do!
But first there was a practical and later a more principal reason:
At the time the accident happened we were on a trip back to the Netherlands. And very unfortunately we werent notified immediately, despite the importance of the matter. So we were actually extra shocked when we got the bad news, as it was only first through DAN Asia Pacific that we were approached on Friday 20 May about the accident, which was already over 3 weeks after it had happened! So NO ONE had told us about it yet, including none of our crew. That our crew did not mention it may seem bad to many, but actually there's quite a number of positive reasons for it, especially the recovery of the Belgium diver and her appreciation of our care. To explain more of their valid reasons, would talk too long at this stage. But on a positive note from us about our own Indonesian employees coordinating matters when we are away, at least it shows that they are willing to accept responsibility at high level themselves.
Now maybe because we knew too late and could not assess ourselves to what extend ALL people visiting Lumba Lumba at that time were shocked or traumatized by the accident, it took too long for us to contact the writer of the report or any others of his group about it. Assuming the best intentions of most people, and estimating the date of DAN contacting us, and the postings of Albion hitting the web, he may have actually waited, hoping for a direct personal reaction from us first before finally pushing the "report" button. But just like some other bad coincidences regarding this accident, that apparently wasn't meant to happen, we didnt know about it yet
Then after we heard, you can see that it still took us quite some time to come up with this reply as well. Again, that wasnt because we didnt care, no precisely the opposite, because we DO care: We know it takes time for a thorough reply. Of course we could just quickly say something at that stage, but theres already enough yes/no, is/is not, like/dislike, I assume, probably, maybe etc, etc, discussions on many forums, and often blurring the main thread.
So we needed to know more of what happened and what followed, of which knowing Doriens and Aruls condition clearly stood above all. When we heard Dorien was doing fine and when we got our first crew reports about the accident including hearing Arul was doing fine as well, we immediately reported back to DAN on Monday 23 May with our initial findings. Then after that we had our last days in Holland, be in transit on the way back, and it couldnt be earlier than last Friday morning, 3 June (no fishing/dive boats going out on Friday morning in Aceh), before we could do an elaborate staff meeting as a first session for fact finding and preliminary analysis.
So now this has taken place, I think I can finally give a response that gives as much of a complete view on things as possible. Thats with the status of information as I have it now.
Thank you for bearing with me this far already, but because quite some comments of contributors expressed doubt (or worse) about our emotional and/or professional commitment, I did feel it necessary to underline that we DO care! How can people assume otherwise, its our own business and 20 families from the islands local villages directly depend on it for a living, plus 2 young teenage boys that we foster
BIAS
Now when covering all details of the story, of course its a representation of things AS I SEE IT. But very importantly, its also what my wife Marjan, and Din, our main Indonesian executive all agree on. Sure, thats still very subjective. But it cant be otherwise. So I think it is most honest to highlight 3 aspects of our own bias which highly influence our (dive) operating policies:
- Knowing rules, regulations and guidelines is important. But knowing them to the letter is not what matters: its understanding what they are meant for.
Yes, Im fully aware that this is quite a tricky thing to say at this stage, when were discussing smoking issues and the accident of an engine fire, but hey, we can only save the world one beer at a time Now please dont immediately start blogging me to death at this stage, its not my intention to make fun of Albions own motto at all. Totally on the contrary, Im honestly trying to relate here, because that is of course what I meant when I indicated that maybe were not totally at the end of the world, but certainly at one of Indonesias ends. And most men here still smoke (BTW, Arul, the senior boatdriver is a non-smoker), a lot of our customers still smoke, so yes, we can only change the world with one smoker quitting at a time, and others not to starting either. Just a pity I didnt understand his way of saying things that stressy evening before I left to Holland
(Marjan and me quit 10 years ago, but clearly havent become more Catholic than the Pope)
But lets not get ahead of things here. So though risky, I still state the line above, as Marjan and me have mixed dive educational roots, both CMAS and PADI, both club and commercial, and this is strongly determining our diving policies.
- Doing It Right can also be done left handed
What we mean here, is that theres often not just one way of doing things, in fact, usually there are numerous ways of doing things. For example, a diver gears up and you dont know anything about him (or her), and he puts his weigh belt on in such a way that its the other way around. Then instead of pointing out that the diver is putting his weight belt on the wrong way (suggesting you know the right way*), we think a better approach could be: I noticed you put on your weight belt the other way around than usual, you have any special reason for it?. It doesnt have to be as obvious as a one armed/handed diver (BTW, we had one becoming PADI DM with us), but it can be an experienced left handed solo diver for example. Or yes, probably its just Oops, didnt pay attention, yes wrong way around, thank you .
So seeing someone do something differently than you assume to be the rule, does not mean that another person is necessarily doing it wrong. That person may very deliberately deviate from what you think is right for very good reasons!
BTW, Im just normal, right handed myself.
(* Im not suggesting PADI, CMAS or SSI state such a rule, actually they dont. But many instructors do, and in my 2002 version of the SDI OW manual its mentioned on p. 39. This just to avoid blog blurring.)
- And, last but not least: We cant be friends with everyone.
Again a tricky thing to say when confronted with such heavy criticism as mentioned in many posts on these threads. But we all befriend, ignore and defriend people on a daily basis, either with the click of a mouse, or through more direct social interaction. Well, when running a dive centre in a fairly remote location with very deep sites and dominated by currents that can be extremely strong AND unpredictable like we have in Pulau Weh, then of course its sometimes quite difficult how to phrase things telling a diver that he or she is maybe not be up for a certain dive yet, like joining to our site shark plateau for example. Or joining on a decompression dive to our deep wreck, the Sophie Rickmers. Theres surely some people who really dont like no for an answer.
And then of course theres very now and again the odd customer, who may get kicked out of a restaurant because he or she is misbehaving so much, that all the people at other tables start calling the waiter to pay and leave ..
Ok, so now that you also know what bias I have when writing all the following, lets finally look at the
FACTS, FEELINGS . AND FICTION
When still pursuing a corporate career before turning my hobby to a business (originally Im an aerospace engineer), I learned a short phrase that was useful for dealing with conflicts with two or more parties involved. If you want to find a way out of the conflict in a manner thats sufficiently acceptable to all parties, its not enough to just look at the facts, but we also have to look at the feelings of all involved. But what these last few weeks have shown me as well, is that now when the internet gets involved, it proves to be a strong catalyst for something that didnt play such a big role in my work 20 years ago: Theres not only facts and feelings, but when the feelings (read emotions or convictions) are strong enough, people are also willing to introduce quite some fiction next to facts, mainly to try and give their post much more importance and attention than it deserves...
Now probably we all exaggerate occasionally or enhance things a bit, but with some of the post I have seen - and others noticed as well the issues mentioned are really quite extreme. Then please consider the fact that Lumba Lumba already operates since 1998, and over the years mainly received good reviews. And still gets mails with compliments, also from people that were here the last few weeks after the accident. Also consider that all of these extreme postings are just from the last 6 weeks or so. As owners, my wife and me are still the same people. And staff, policies, and equipment don't change overnight. Well, there is a good saying about deals we regularly get offered by spam or pop-ups or whatever: If the deal seems too good to be true, then most probably IT IS (too good to be true). Well, please judge for yourself, but I have definitely spotted some post where I know that the opposite also holds: If a story sounds too bad to be true, then probably it is too bad to be true! I could point out quite a few remarks in different posts that are really fiction, but this report is already long enough as it is. So Im not going to pay attention to all that, as I think you can all spot the fiction, the Baron von Munchhausen stories, easily yourself.
Now again, dont get me wrong here, Im not trying to discredit the main issue of the report as untrue, not at all, THE ACCIDENT DID HAPPEN!
OK, so finally what its all about:
(continue to part 2)