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I checked and they don't ship tanks free.

I have used these valves without any problems. Dive Gear Express also sells $25 valves in the closeout section from time to time.

Bob, did you notice the part that say this forum "is intended to be a very friendly, 'flame free zone'"? Your comment about the owner is completely unfair. I know the owner and he is one of the nicest and most honest persons you would ever have the pleasure to meet. Texasguy, I know the woman...