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  1. Popeye

    DAN Report thoughts

    As they say, Ad-hominem attacks are the first refuge of the ignorant. I find your presumptious arrogance entertaining.
  2. Popeye

    DAN Report thoughts

    I believe that -overwhelming- empirical evidence shows that the vast majority of divers are trained to a degree the enables them to safely dive at a basic level. I also believe that accident analysis will show poor diver judgement, NOT RELATED TO OW TRAINING, is responsible for the...
  3. Popeye

    DAN Report thoughts

    http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbc...06110046&Ref=AR Au, contrare. I'm not the assumption type. I think it's much more relevent to this discussion that you tell us what conclusions you draw.
  4. Popeye

    DAN Report thoughts

    Ya, but. Embolism was the result. What was the cause?
  5. Popeye

    DAN Report thoughts

    Trend, I believe was the word you used. Also, that it was an indication of poor training standards, or practices. The data support neither conclusion.
  6. Popeye

    DAN Report thoughts

    Mike, you're the one that offers this up as an indication of a trend. Mike, I know exactly what a CO2 hit is from practical experience, long before training, but, like the "many" deep air deaths, I wonder why you continually refer to it as a significant problem, which it isn't.
  7. Popeye

    Got Narced at Gilboa - and I thought that I would 'share' (Another Long post)

    What does it mean? You guys have terrible gear techs up there, or need a PADI cold water diving specialty. Dunno what this means: "One from our group on dive #2....he was at around 85'. He tried to breathe it on the way up, but the air got so cold that he couldn't breathe it...
  8. Popeye

    DAN Report thoughts

    It would help if we knew more about the sample group. Are these DAN numbers? And how many there were (728?). And what year this was. Now, for the purposes of discussion, how many dives do you assume take place in the US (and Carribean. if applicable) each year? Your sample is...
  9. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    Mike, a carefully selected paragraph does not a study make. It's not that I don't like the studies you choose, it's that I haven't seen them. Since I've already seen how you present information, I'd just as soon do my own editing. I don't have the magazine article you cite, and neither...
  10. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    No, Mike, this is what you said (first): "Page 57 of the DAN report shows that about 50% of the female fatalities were on dives to between 90 and 119 feet. While most may not think of this as deep in terms of narcosis I contend that it is too deep for many recreational divers. The same page...
  11. Popeye

    Open Water + Nx = ?

    Cincy, FWIW, I took PADI OW in West Palm in late 97. During the OW course, I learned about nitrox, and asked if I could get certified. I was told that I could only do that through IANTD. I asked, was not scammed, if there was any way we could do it, and this is what they did...
  12. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    Mike, unless you can cite information that we (and everybody else) can evaluate in it's entirety, I have no opinion to offer. I'm sure, if your argument is as widespread and ironclad as you insist, you can find an internet reference, like I did. I have seen your partisan (which is...
  13. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    Sorry, make that 2000.
  14. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    I'm willing to discuss anything. Well, Mike, you do twist the DAN report, so let's discuss it. Keeping in mind this is a deep air thread, and nothing you've cited, including a 14 month old magazine article refers to narcosis, I'll try and make my point one or two questions at a time...
  15. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    After posting that you dive narcosis free, this is yet another treat. So, Mike, you now state that there -is- a level of managable narcosis? Can you reference a study for that?
  16. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    Yes, actually. You're the one to take a single death, cause unknown, and turn it into a trend. Like the death you reported at Gilboa that was a heart attack. Or was it a murder? Since you can't relate to the empirical evidence of the entire history of diving (take, for instance...
  17. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    Okay, Mike, now put some actual numbers to the figures you just cited. I find it odd that you left them out. Don't forget to mention the percentage of natural medical causes. Nice of you to include your speculation with half the facts. Well, here I thought we were discussing narcosis...
  18. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    You've cited this vague article before, how about an exact month and title, please. I don't take Dive Training, but will go out of my way to get one just to see this article. I don't have any trouble at all reading the DAN accident analysis. I've discussed it extensively elsewhere. If...
  19. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    1 death, -possibly- narcosis related, out of how many thousands of tourist divers in that same few years? The odds are staggering. And even if you did make this a trimix dive, with an END of 100 ft, what good would it do the guy that you mentioned that was badly narced at 100 ft...
  20. Popeye

    Deep Air survey

    You don't know what DIR doubles are, yet talk about proper gear for mixed gas diving. You advocate the 5 rules of accident analysis, but can't expalin why cavern divers are limited to 70 ft. You grossly exaggerate the DAN incident report (frequently). You grossly exaggerate the...
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