Hose length thoughts, questions and confusions....

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if you want to try the 22" and 36" hoses, ask your LDS nicely if you can borrow a hose off of their rental regs as they are likely going to have a 22" and 36" for you to try

Great idea! I hadn't thought of that. (insert "D'oh" moment here).

I've already tried the 40" primary give last week in Hawaii, and I'm just not liking it. I'll try with canting the first stage, and then maybe with a 36" hose.
 
Great idea! I hadn't thought of that. (insert "D'oh" moment here).

I've already tried the 40" primary give last week in Hawaii, and I'm just not liking it. I'll try with canting the first stage, and then maybe with a 36" hose.

I know, but when you put the hose on the bottom port, it gives you a few inch advantage and if you're diving without a wetsuit on it may snag under your arm pit if you cross it tight, but I dive with crossed arms all the time and never really noticed an issue, so with the extra length given by the first stage orientation, you may find that it works for you without sacrificing the safety benefits of primary donate
 
Great idea! I hadn't thought of that. (insert "D'oh" moment here).

I've already tried the 40" primary give last week in Hawaii, and I'm just not liking it. I'll try with canting the first stage, and then maybe with a 36" hose.
36 is a bit short for an octopus, especially if routed to the right. In a face to face lift the casualty has to introduce an extra bend to get the regulator facing them and the right way up. You can try that out of the water with your wife. Then try it again with a big beardy bloke and see how much fun it is.

Be aware that primary donate is considered 'the one true way' by many on SB so advice will point you away from secondary donate or take.

I have a short backup hose (left post) I lend to people who are following internet advice about twinsets to save them buying one too and finding out that it is really too short.
 
The only time I had issues with a hose rubbing the back of my neck was on one incredibly long 5 day trip on a liveaboard. It was an incredibly long week, as pretty fish diving in tropical without a hood allowed the braided cover on the hose to rub my neck raw after about the 3rd dive on day 1. I went back to rubber as soon as that trip was over. I have a 5' miflex hose really cheap if you want it...

I used to live in SD, and I hear you on the dive travel thing, but it's all relative. My technical diving buddy and I used to fly to do wreck diving in the great lakes - two sets of regulators, can light, back up lights, dry suit, etc.

Now that I live in NC, my wife normally drive to Florida to cave dive, but we also fly to Mexico every couple years to cave dive. For each of us it's two regs (with 5' hoses on each), two computers, can light, two back up lights, side mount helmet, BC, XL jet fins, 400' primary reel and a half dozen finger spools, wet notes, wetsuit and boots - and it all fits in a second generation Dive Caddy, which in turn fits in the over head bin, with the small detachable turtle bag becoming your personal bag.

When we do something like go to Bermuda or fly to Key West to get on a live aboard and we just have our single tank pretty fish kit, the Dive Caddy is practically empty. Given that I use a back plate and 30 pound wing, I also use a 7' hose as the primary, and tuck the excess under the waist strap.

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I started diving CCR a couple years ago and I carry the bailout reg on a 5' hose routed to a bungee necklace. It's easy for me to access if I need to bailout, and if you rig the bungee short enough you can access it hands free. It also serves as a donor second stage for a team mate in mixed CCR / Open Circuit diving. But I regard it as a necessary evil. In 32 years of diving, I've donated gas 3 times. 1 of the three was on a technical dive where we knew it was going to happen following a failure so it was all very controlled. The other two were on open water dives and both times the out of air diver was a stranger, you was both out of gas and separated from his or her buddy. Both those gas shares are better described as muggings, as the divers were in a near panic and grabbed the reg right out of my mouth.

The golden triangle stuff sounds great but in reality a stressed and out of air diver is going to just grab the reg they see making bubbles, with no warning, rather than calmly swimming up, giving you an out of air signal and looking for your octo. If you see them coming and you're on the long hose primary, you can just hand it to them, and then go to your bungee back up. If you don't see them coming, you're going to get it ripped out of your mouth and you'll appreciate a bungee back up, as opposed to having to locate your own octo and un-clip it. Murphy's law dictates that you'll get mugged at the end of a full exhalation.

The good news is that since you donated/got mugged for the long hose primary, you're all sorted out and ready to ascend. Plus, with the length available with a 5, 6 or 7 foot hose, the OOA diver will not feel like the hose is about to be pulled out of his or her mouth and they'll be more likely to calm down.

If however you're breathing the short hose reg, and you get mugged for it, you've now got the OOA diver on the short hose, and he or she is going to feel like it's on the verge of getting pulled out of his or her mouth. That does not inspire confidence in the diver and just increases the panic. And you've got to sort this mess out before you start your ascent.

I'm a huge fan of breathing and donating the primary, as it actually works in the real world, as opposed to the totally artificial crap that gets taught by way to many OW instructors.
 
Carry a camera, then you won't have your arms crossed. Problem solved.

This. Camera or not. Why not swim with your arms out in front of you? It's more streamlined than arms crossed across your chest.
 
.....and, after three shoulder surgeries (from the Gulf War, Part II), a cervical fusion AND a cervical artificial disc, I have some fairly significant range of motion issues with my shoulder and neck. Swimming with my arms crossed or by my sides works better for me-- which causes the hose to bind since it's under my arm.
 
After spending the last two hours in the back of a jet thinking about this.....

Why wouldn't the below be a reasonable setup?

- Short hose w/ backup reg over shoulder.
- Long hose strapped along length of tank using a stretchy nylon band and over the shoulder for your primary (and "give-away") reg. You'd go down from the vertical port in the first stage, along the right length of tank, loop up and over your shoulder.

That would solve the "I don't like the hose between my arm and torso" issue, but give you plenty of length of hose in a "give-away" situation. Since the strap is elastic (I've seen them on DRIS, DGE and other sites), one pull and the hose is completely free. You're still using the long hose as both your primary and as your "give-a way".

Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea?

I remember seeing some of the Truk guides with this setup, but I don't remember if they had it set up as an octo or primary reg.

Thanks.

R.
 
@flybigjet nothing wrong with that setup, just an extra step in the beginning. You can tie a piece of bungee cord into the same loop as a suicide strap and get the same result for basically no money. It's a common setup in the UK for 7' hoses
 
In the UK a long hose strapped to the cylinder is the octopus. Sometimes it is stuffed into the place on a buddy commando where the 0.4l inflation cylinder would go. A normal length (the size provided by Apeks etc) primary is breathed.

Op, if you have a full length 7ft primary properly hog looped is it still annoying? Doesn't that run low enough, going under a torch, knife or waist band, to not interfere with your arm?
 
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