Ops requiring AOW certs?

[jonhall]

That scenario was thoroughly disproven. Gabe was just incompetent. When the judge in Alabama dismissed the case without even requiring a defense, he did so based on the absurdity of the evidence against him. Most of what you read in the various stories was simply not true.

Was only giving one scenario that stood out in most of the early reports. He may have been trying to help as he stated in an interview. My understanding is that after serving time in Australia where he pleaded guilty to manslaughter, the dismissal in Alabama was for "murder for money" where the judge felt there was no real evidence. Think there will always be a debate about what happened in the water. No doubt Gabe was incompetent though.

 

[Michael Guerrero]

Never had any issues in Pensacola.

 

[Oldbear]

Interesting thread, lots of opinions, but have we established anywhere other than FLA that this practice is common?

I live and dive in the Marshall Islands (half way between Hawaii and New Zealand) on a U.S. Military garrison in Kwajalein Atoll. We have 100+ WWII wrecks with less than 3% shallower than 60FSW and most greater than 100 FSW. Local Army regulations states ALL divers will be AOW or greater withing 6 months of becoming OW or arriving in Kwaj.

But I would think we are still unique.

 

[boulderjohn]

If the dive op wants to check them against the 20 or so latest dives stored in my dive computer, I can just hand them the computer.

The guy who bought my old Shearwater Predator a few years ago could have printed out and handed over a logbook that would have impressed more than a few recreational dive operations.

 

[boulderjohn]

Was only giving one scenario that stood out in most of the early reports. He may have been trying to help as he stated in an interview. My understanding is that after serving time in Australia where he pleaded guilty to manslaughter, the dismissal in Alabama was for "murder for money" where the judge felt there was no real evidence. Think there will always be a debate about what happened in the water. No doubt Gabe was incompetent though.

This thread will give you the full information:
Tina Watson Death - The Full Story

The manslaughter charge was based upon a very unusual local law that required someone in such a situation to provide competent assistance. It was manslaughter based on the fact that he was incompetent. There was no hint in the decision that anything he did was deliberate. He would not have been charged nearly anywhere else in the world.

 

[northernone]

The guy who bought my old Shearwater Predator a few years ago could have printed out and handed over a logbook that would have impressed more than a few recreational dive operations.

That's a paddlin' from the scuba police. Another great way to make an impressive log is write in an extra 0 on a paper.

A dive in 640° water should be impressive even most jaded recreational dive op.

 

[Storker]

A dive in 640° water should be impressive even most jaded recreational dive op.

Particularly considering that if you have liquid water at 640F , the ambient pressure would be higher than the pressure inside a full Al80.

 

[Altamira]

The guy who bought my old Shearwater Predator a few years ago could have printed out and handed over a logbook that would have impressed more than a few recreational dive operations.

True. Although I am not a DM, instructor, or boat captain, I am pretty sure they can tell within a couple of minutes of talking to divers and watching them set up their gear whether or not they have their act together. If I can do that, I would like to think the dive professionals can do it even better. I doubt much BS gets past you.

 

[northernone]

Particularly considering that if you have liquid water at 640F , the ambient pressure would be higher than the pressure inside a full Al80.

I love forum. Thanks for pointing to superheated water! Math suggests liquid water at 640° is about 4,500ft deep?

Doubt AOW is sufficient for the dive.

 

[Storker]

superheated water!

<nitpick>
I wasn't talking about superheating. In superheating, a liquid is still a liquid above its BP. I was talking about the BP/pressure relationship.

At 640F, water boils at ~220 bar (3185 psi).. So, if you have liquid water at 640F, the pressure is at least 220 bar. Which, AFAIK, is more than the pressure inside a freshly filled Al80.
</nitpick>

And 220 bar is about 2200 meters, or roughly 7200 feet.

Doubt AOW is sufficient for the dive.

Me, too. I think you'd struggle a bit with a standard trimix cert as well.