More Emergency Training?

[TSandM]

Rescue will teach you about being proactive in avoiding accidents, and will give you some techniques for coping with them when they occur. There is no harassment in the normal Rescue class.

If you want a class where you will be challenged in task loading, consider something like Intro to Tech or GUE Fundamentals. I guarantee the latter would meet your criterion of being challenging.

 

[beanojones]

Ok beano, now I'm curious......why the heck would you practice cesa from 100'?

It's a useful DM/guide skill when one guides in warm clear water because the DM needs to be able to lose their reg to an OOA diver at any recreational depth, and not lose their head.

Once someone does 10-15 CESAs from 100 feet, they become convinced that breathing out continuously for 4 minutes is possible, so they no longer need to fight to recover the reg or free themselves from an OOA who has taken their primary and bear-hugged them.

And yes this happens. It's happened to me, in fact, several time: an diver who chose to go without a guide, because "diving in Hawaii is easy, so who needs to pay for a guide". So they drop to the bottom, because "Hey, as long as I can see the boat it's not deep right?", and then they run out of air, hard, at 100 feet, and grab the nearest guide looking person's reg, and bear hug the guide to keep the reg in the mouth. I tend to actually offer myself to those people who look like they are about to do it even though they are not my divers.

As long as DM starts up with them right away and the OOA diver is convinced they are going to be OK, they usually calm down in plenty of time to swim together to to the hang tank, and have the OOA diver switch to that to let the DM get back to their own group.

 

[TONY CHANEY]

I guess I'll be the one to silt this out. BS! Performing a CESA is one thing, performing a CESA with another diver hanging onto you is something else. So you were able to manage your BC as well as the hugging diver's BC, kept them with you while you went from the depth to the surface? Sorry but I see no reason to pratice a CESA from these depths ever. I have yet to have an OOA diver grab ahold of me, take my reg. thus forcing me to do a CESA from any depth. I just donate my long hose and go to my backup reg. So has anyone else ever have a dive grab them, that their reg. and do a CESA from any depth?

 

[MrChen]

If you want a class where you will be challenged in task loading, consider something like Intro to Tech or GUE Fundamentals. I guarantee the latter would meet your criterion of being challenging.

Who teaches Intro to Tech?

 

[TSandM]

Most agencies nowadays have an Intro to Tech or the equivalent. PADI has Tech basics, NAUI has Intro to Tech, GUE has Fundamentals (which isn't a precise equivalent, because you can take it in a single tank with no tech aspirations). If you want to be challenged, though, you need to be sure you are taking the class from an active technical diver who approaches it from that standpoint.

 

[boulderjohn]

Who teaches Intro to Tech?

You can also get it from any of the tech agencies--TDI, IANTD, etc. Many shops offer different agencies for different purposes. For example, with the shop I am associated, you can choose PADI for your recreational diving and TDI for technical training.

 

[Jim Lapenta]

If you're looking for something really challenging related to emergency situations a very few instructors will tailor something like Doppler's disaster scenario workshop. That is a fun class. Come up with plausible scenarios outside the norm. Discuss options, then get in the water and get tied up with line, have your mask taken, have to swap regs on a stage bottle, get tangled up in an smb line, etc. then have to work it out. I am working on one geared towards recreational divers along the same lines.
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[DCBC]

...Sure, I did a deep dive, but I wouldn't want to do a Cesa from 90ft. ...What I'd like is more emergency practice. Maybe some harassment.... I want something that better prepares me and my dive partner to work under stress.

If you want to handle stress in personal diving situations, I'd suggest you find yourself an "old school Instructor." For example, I integrate Doff and Don (with and without blackout), Station breathing (with decreasing cylinder availability for a number of divers) and harassment exercises into my OW. The Advanced includes a CESA from 100'. Many of these skills were normal 30 or 40 years ago, but are shocking to today's Instructors. They are part of military and some Commercial Diver training programs today and are used to develop confidence and reduce the likelihood of diver panic.

I don't believe that you are properly trained until you can properly perform an underwater rescue. We talk about the Buddy system, but many of today's divers are not trained to act in this capacity.

AOW felt like a resort type class, we're going diving and you'll get certified. Too easy.

In most cases today, it is like a resort class.

 

[MrChen]

If you're looking for something really challenging related to emergency situations a very few instructors will tailor something like Doppler's disaster scenario workshop. That is a fun class. Come up with plausible scenarios outside the norm. Discuss options, then get in the water and get tied up with line, have your mask taken, have to swap regs on a stage bottle, get tangled up in an smb line, etc. then have to work it out. I am working on one geared towards recreational divers along the same lines.
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This is what I'm thinking would be good training. Recreational situations that could happen to any of us and the proper reaction could save lives.

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Thanks for all the feedback.

 

[DevonDiver]

What I'd like is more emergency practice. I'm not looking for something which requires physical fitness type training. I want something that better prepares me and my dive partner to work under stress. Does rescue diver give some of this?

In a nutshell, yes. As with any course, the quality of experience is instructor-driven and variable.

Maybe some harassment.

Unlikely you'll find this within the PADI system. Risk of litigation tends to promote more controlled diving training. That said, and as others have mentioned, a knowledgeable and experienced instructor should be able to induce a fair degree of student-induced 'self-harassment' via task loading demands and environmental variables.

Do the actual Deep Diver training course, if you want to get trained to do deep diving.

I don't see much actual 'training' within the written standards of the Deep Diver course. It's shoddy and insufficient. That said, as before, a quality instructor will ensure training goes beyond the book-driven minimums and deliver a training product that reflects the actual desired training outcome...