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coppergod

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Hi there, I've been diving for 7 years ever since my first amazing breath in the barrier reef and I'm afraid that after a couple of bad experiences if it wasn't for the good ones I would have given up. Just last week although I have only logged 20 dives I was feeling confident and even looking to finish getting all my equip. And joining a local club to do my advanced(just a holiday diver just now) until my last dive where we weren't buddied properly and viz was less than 2m and I found myself on the bottom with my guide/buddy with my depth gauge not working. This wasn't too bad as I knew I was at a max of 12 m at this point but within 10 mins. I couldn't see my buddy, I swam around looking for a while(prob. Too long) until I didn't know where I was and if It was safe enough to go up. I eventually went up with no stop and had visions of getting smashed of the rocks as the sea was quite rough, luckily the boat was quite near and that was it. Sorry this is all a bit long winded and boring but it just seems that if it's not surfacing too quick or getting lost, it's trouble with current and not being very sure of the care the padi centres I've used give. Having said all that my buoyancy and control in the water is quite good (air consumption not too good tho )for a novice it just seems to be getting down and back up that causes a little trouble. I really want to be a good confident diver and don't want to give up but I'm starting to doubt if it's worth it and it's getting me down as I feel my 1 thing i was starting to feel passionate about might die in its infancy. Encouragement and advice please???????? Are these feelings/experiences normal???????

Sorry again if this seems like a dumb post.

Regards.
 
It is not a dumb post. Read this: Seriously.
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ne...ering-diving/283566-who-responsible-what.html

Then find a good instructor or mentor and dive. As much as you can. Your discomfort with 20 dives in 7 years is not unusual. And as much as I don't believe I'm saying this, has nothing to do with PADI, or any other agency. It may have something to do with the instruction you had that might not have impressed on you the notion that 20 dives in 7 years is not much at all. There are many divers who are not even teaching that get that many in a week.

As a certified diver you and you alone are responsible for your safety. That means you are the one that needs to go out and interview instructors and even dive buddies and be fully up front and honest about what you expect out of them and what you can bring to the table. You may find that some people will welcome you and others will refuse to dive with you if you expect them to plan the dives, lead the dives, and get you back safely from the dives. Unless I was being paid I would refuse. I expect anyone that is not a student to be a 50/50 partner in any dive plan. I expect them to take the initiative and seek out training and experience on their own and put to use what they learn.

It's one of the reasons that I want anyone I train to read my book and see exactly where I am coming from in my approach to teaching. I create my own handouts dealing with safety, planning, air management, and other topics that all have one underlying theme. That I am not going to save their ass once they are away from me and possibly neither is their buddy. So they need to be responsible, honest with themselves, and choose buddies carefully. And make an effort to be a good buddy. Staying together takes two. It takes two to get separated as well. If anyone expects their buddy to be the one to stay together and stay close then that person is not a good buddy.

The real key is communication and is another thing I stress in my classes and in my writings. Can't or won't communicate? Expect to be disappointed.
 
Very well said Jim. I have a family so I can sympathize with a low amount of dives and for sure a rec. holiday diver is ok. The confidence however comes with doing it often. Just as many feel uneasy as they start a new job or go to a new place for the first time, you get more confident with familiarity.

Cheers and keep diving. A instructor or even super confident buddy can help you a long way.
 
I agree that a good mentor is a good thing, and further training to gain confidence in a variety of conditions is essential. But more than anything, to be a good diver you need to be an active diver. That doesn't have to be 50 dives a year, but it does mean more than 20 dives every seven years. Be selective as to dive sites and conditions unless you are training. As a sometimes working DM, I lead divers who are not really comfortable out on their own and I do look out for them by giving a good briefing, dealing with their questions and issues, observing them as to comfort and competence, and being aware of all the divers I am leading. After you read Jim's article, check out my article in a recent scubadiverlife.com, titled "Good Divemaster Bad Divemaster" for another perspective. But the bottom line remains, you need to get the training and experience you need to be a safe and competent diver. That also means being an active diver.
DivemasterDennis
 
I had a terrible experience on my 17th dive-(equipment failure at end of dive when I was low on air) and considered whether I ever wanted to dive again. I did do more dives and have had some amazing experiences - so I am happy I did. Whether you should or not - up to you of course, but are you enjoying diving? I ask this because of so few dives over the years. To get comfortable in the water- you must do more dives to increase your skill and comfort level. If you can, go to more tropical locales where the water is warmer and you can do a lot of dives in a weeks time. Another thing to consider- is are you prone to panic- if so, this is not a good sport for you. I would look at diving with an operation that puts a DM in the water with you, talk with that DM so he/she knows your comfort level, and see if you can find a buddy you want to dive with most of the time. Also, what is the point in diving in low vis- unless it is to get lobster or see a wreck- where is the fun. I would look to go on some dives where I can see some cool stuff and then make my decision. Hope it works out for you- :)
 
Being a novice diver in cold water can be hard. But let's look at the story you told, and see if it could have been a better experience . . . You said you hooked up with a local dive club to go diving. That's a good thing to do. The more you dive, the more comfortable you'll get.

You say you "weren't buddied properly". I'm not sure what that means, but that's something which is entirely within your control. You have the ability to refuse to get in the water, if you don't have a specific buddy with whom to plan and do the dive. I've done that -- I did a dive in Indonesia with three other ladies, and at the beginning, I said, "So what are we doing for teams?" The answer was, "Oh, we're not going to buddy up, we'll just dive as a group." I refused to do it, and arranged one of the other divers to be MY buddy. Good thing, too, because within five minutes, we'd gotten separated from the others. If we hadn't already agreed to work as two separate teams, we'd have had to end the dive at that point.

One of the advantages of having a specific buddy is that you can discuss the protocols you are going to use for things like buddy separation. You guys could have reviewed the standard approach of, "search for a minute and then surface and regroup". This sounds particularly easy, if the dive you were doing was that shallow.

Of course, you couldn't know what a minute was, because your depth gauge wasn't functioning. With your number of dives, I would have aborted the dive at the point I became aware of that problem. I know you said you knew the max depth of the site, but it was the timer that got you into trouble, wasn't it?

In addition, in 2m of viz, it's very important to have two people agree that one of the major goals of the dive is to stay together. In fact, it is possible for one person to do that job, but that person doesn't have much fun on the dive. But if you have an agreement to stay together, then both of you need to maintain the situational awareness to do that, which means not getting fixated on the fish or reef or wreck so long that the buddy disappears. We dive Puget Sound in low viz all the time, and buddy separations are very rare among my friends, because we all work hard to make it so.

Then you were stressed by worrying that where you were going to ascend was unsafe. This tells me you either didn't get a very good dive site briefing before you went in, or you didn't listen to it very well, or your underwater navigation skills aren't very good. A dive site briefing should talk about the bottom contours and hazards of the site and how to avoid them; you can also use your compass to understand which direction takes you closer to the rocks and which takes you farther away. Underwater navigation is a blend of information from your instruments (depth, time, and compass direction) and information from your environment -- bottom contour, notable landmarks, current direction, surge, and so on. Navigating underwater is a skill -- it can be learned and refined, and it takes practice. But you should always have a sense of what the site looks like, where you are going, and how to get back. That's part of the dive planning.

Finally, you say something about descents and ascents being stressful. This is also a skill that can be practiced. The good news is that you ARE making an effort to dive locally, which should mean "dive more often", as diving often is the only way to get good at control in the water. Many people don't practice controlled descents -- they just let the air out of their BCs and plummet. This is a common cause of buddy separation, especially where the bottom is deeper than the range you can see. If one person has to pause for dodgy ears, you don't ever see one another again. It's a very good exercise, where possible, to practice descending to ten feet and pausing to okay and regroup, and then going down to 20 and doing it again, until you get to the bottom. (Yes, there are places where you can't do this, because you really need to get down fast to stay in reference to structure, but I don't consider those dives appropriate for someone with your amount of experience, and the problems you've described.)

So I think there are a lot of things about what made this dive unpleasant for you that you can take control of and improve. No need to give up on the sport! Just be determined to set your own dives up so they turn out fun. 90% of that will be done on shore, or on the boat, before you ever get in the water.
 
Thanks to the OP for explaining why I only dive in warm clear tropical water :)
 
Hi there, I've been diving for 7 years , I have only logged 20 dives

Regards.

I'm new to diving also but this is my 2nd year and I've logged 68 dives hoping to get to 70 by end of the month. So honestly with your record I would not say you are a novice more still of a beginner. The more I dive the more I'm becoming confident, not cocky, just confident in my skill.

We dive in some pretty low viz here, maybe 10 feet and fairly good current. But the more I dive in those conditions the better I'm becoming.

So go and dive, dive and dive, and you will see your confidence go up, and you'll want to dive more again. Your air consumption will get better also as mine is just amazing now and last year I could drain a tank really fast.

Hope you won't stop diving.
 
Ok. Thanks to all. I have dived the barrier reef, red sea, Indian ocean and the med. I am only doing 4 or 5 a year as I live in Scotland and didnt fancy the diving here although have come to realise that I need to in order to progress to the level I want to be at, I know alot of theory from reading and using this forum although I know it's no substitute for experience. I do try to explain to the DMs and instructors before hand that I'm not too sure about it all yet and would like just a little bit more attention. My first dive after open water was in the Maldives with the same instructors who trained me and It was a strong current so we left the boat with BCD deflated, I was last off and couldn't get down(think weights were ok but didn't fully exhale to start) , done a heads down and finned and struggled to get down, eventually grabbing the reef before I drifted too far away, when the instructor came to me I used his alternate but I never fully calmed down as I was over exerted, I used his smb and surfaced myself.
The "lost" dive was last week in Spain where we were told the conditions were not good after a storm the night before, There were no specific buddies just a group of 6 with 2 DM/guides, I struggled to get down in the swell and eventually the DM came up and added weight, by the time we got down the rest of group were on the bottom further away, it was then I realised I had no compass, depth gauge working and realised the dive was a waste of time but just wanted to continue with him as I like to practise and experience all conditions and when I looked around for my "buddy" (I was doing this regularly but obviously not enough) he was gone. I never panicked as I knew this wouldn't help and as it was relatively shallow and had all my air I started my ascent but missed my stop and next thing I was on the surface(I need to work on this as sometimes I get it ok and others I come up too quick). I was more angry with myself and lessons have been learned. It just suddenly made me realise how much I need to be responsible for myself and my own training. And a dive computer is now top of my list as well.
What I have realised though is that In my experience the people I've dived with (not everyone is the same I know) seem to not do too much dialog or friendly chat and maybe just think oh he's got open water I'm not his minder, which is fair enough.
I don't want to be babied but would love to hire someone for a week just to go through all the things I want to work on. For me a good dive is just setting up all my equip. Properly, getting down, getting NB , playing around with my breath control, doing a safety stop and getting back on the boat without ****ing any of it up and feeling like an idiot on the boat. ( sometimes I think the people from the dive shops can't be bothered with us holiday divers who also pay their wages but maybe I'm being paranoid).
Anyway I have had good experiences too and that's what hopefully will keep me going, it's just that I have a couple of ok ones and then something else knocks me back and I wonder if it's all worth it and a fear is starting to arise that was never there before.
Anyway enough. I'm going to get up to my local dive Centre soon and do whatever it takes to feel comfortable and in control, maybe training in the cold dark waters will stand me in good stead for the nice warm pretty waters which lie further afield lol.

Cheers guys. Happy bubbles
 
Where in Scotland are you, coppergod? Maybe I can help with ideas for folks to help you practice.
 

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