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How do you define "big" dives?

I think for everyone this is a little different, but for me, if I can't do the dive with a single 80...if I have to use doubles, it is probably a big dive..It would be a dive where either an actual or virtual overhead occurs, and where huge adventure is the payoff, but the cost was far more planning to avoid potential problems....Diving a shipwreck at 270 feet down, in a 3mp current, with huge fish all over it, probably lots of fishing line as well, should be a big dive for most.
Really any significant penetration into a cave is a big dive, because the effects of a major failure can be so severe....This of course would be one reason cave divers typically have a better skill set than typical OW divers. Even if a good cave diver had never been on an ocean dive, it should be easy to get them squared away for an advance3d drift dive in one or 2 orientation dives. You could not say the same about a "good OW diver" being introduced to a good cave dive.

Trace, I'm talking conceptually here, I am not trying to invent a new vocabulary for diver competence :-)
 
Self sufficiency is not the word I would use, because it is misused too often.
If all of your skills are masterfully perfected, and you have mastered all of the skills used for exploration level diving, then YOU ARE, in "your terms", self sufficient, but the idea is NOT to use these skills for diving solo ( even though they would work exceptionally well for solo).
GUE would not need to change their curriculum at all, because if a typical recreational diver was to go through fundies and pass, then they have achieved a skill set far beyond anything currently being taught by the major agencies. Their ability to be safe if "some improbable scenario suddenly removed their buddy (from no mistake of either buddy) would be far beyond the skill sets of the "major agency" trained solo divers--either in preventing the emergency in the first place ( this being huge) and in dealing with multiple failures.

Dan, I'm not sure I can agree with your premise here. Yeah, sure, a Fundies class will teach you some things that most mainstream agency classes won't necessarily cover. And those skills will better prepare you for diving more efficiently and comfortably ... but in the context of diving with other people. But Fundies doesn't teach you rescue skills. It doesn't cover navigation skills. And although it does train you how to handle failures, it doesn't really cover failure-avoidance any better than traditional training ... which is to say, barely at all.

Fundies does ingrain a mindset that makes team cohesion the first option to solving any problem that arises during a dive. And in that respect, it can ... and in some respects does ... inhibit a self-reliant approach to diving ... at least in terms that a solo diver really needs to apply it. This is why, I think, solo diving is anathema to the DIR approach to diving in the first place. The two are really separate "languages".

Diving's all about muscle memory ... and that includes that big, gray muscle that sits between your ears. When you've trained and practiced and focused to dive as a team, what you've learned isn't necessarily transferrable to solo diving ... because there's more involved than just having solid diving skills. The ability to manage a problem is as much about a diver's personality and mindset as it is their training and skillset ... and in this respect, DIR training doesn't really prepare someone to be self-reliant, at least not in the way a solo diver needs to be.

The difference is primarily whether you think "team" as first option, or "self" as first option ... and that's a difficult switch to turn on and off. And how you think about your dive very much influences how you plan and prepare for it ... not to mention how you choose to execute it, and where you set your "triggers" for deciding whether and when to either thumb it, or not begin it at all.

Where I think solo training could benefit from more of a DIR approach to training would be in the implementation of failures into the open water portion of the class ... and that would include failing a student who isn't able to demonstrate the ability to get themselves out of a situation that involves multiple failures and significant task-loading.

Solo training just shouldn't be handled like OW and AOW ... where an instructor goes through a checklist of "skills", pats you on the back and hands you a C-card. You should have to demonstrate that when the hit fits the shan you're gonna be able to sort out what to do, and do it in a manner that gets you to the surface safely without assistance ... because when it does for real, you'll have to ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Just an observation here. Gue dan can be found arguing in the solo forums any day of the week. It makes things interesting I must say though. ;-)
 
Dan, I'm not sure I can agree with your premise here. Yeah, sure, a Fundies class will teach you some things that most mainstream agency classes won't necessarily cover. And those skills will better prepare you for diving more efficiently and comfortably ... but in the context of diving with other people. But Fundies doesn't teach you rescue skills. It doesn't cover navigation skills. And although it does train you how to handle failures, it doesn't really cover failure-avoidance any better than traditional training ... which is to say, barely at all.

Fundies does ingrain a mindset that makes team cohesion the first option to solving any problem that arises during a dive. And in that respect, it can ... and in some respects does ... inhibit a self-reliant approach to diving ... at least in terms that a solo diver really needs to apply it. This is why, I think, solo diving is anathema to the DIR approach to diving in the first place. The two are really separate "languages".

Diving's all about muscle memory ... and that includes that big, gray muscle that sits between your ears. When you've trained and practiced and focused to dive as a team, what you've learned isn't necessarily transferrable to solo diving ... because there's more involved than just having solid diving skills. The ability to manage a problem is as much about a diver's personality and mindset as it is their training and skillset ... and in this respect, DIR training doesn't really prepare someone to be self-reliant, at least not in the way a solo diver needs to be.

The difference is primarily whether you think "team" as first option, or "self" as first option ... and that's a difficult switch to turn on and off. And how you think about your dive very much influences how you plan and prepare for it ... not to mention how you choose to execute it, and where you set your "triggers" for deciding whether and when to either thumb it, or not begin it at all.

Where I think solo training could benefit from more of a DIR approach to training would be in the implementation of failures into the open water portion of the class ... and that would include failing a student who isn't able to demonstrate the ability to get themselves out of a situation that involves multiple failures and significant task-loading.

Solo training just shouldn't be handled like OW and AOW ... where an instructor goes through a checklist of "skills", pats you on the back and hands you a C-card. You should have to demonstrate that when the hit fits the shan you're gonna be able to sort out what to do, and do it in a manner that gets you to the surface safely without assistance ... because when it does for real, you'll have to ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Well, we agree on the last part anyway :-)
Regards,
Dan
 
I find the cave diver open water diver comparison analogia only relative
in psychology, where a squared up ocean diver will find cave water a
non issue.
 
I find the cave diver open water diver comparison analogia only relative
in psychology, where a squared up ocean diver will find cave water a
non issue.

I thought so too, until I tried cave diving.

I had a hard time adapting ...

... but maybe it was just me.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Just an observation here. Gue dan can be found arguing in the solo forums any day of the week. It makes things interesting I must say though. ;-)

... and you'll find many a solo diver arguing on the DIR forum ... as you say, it makes things interesting ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
I thought so too, until I tried cave diving.

I had a hard time adapting ...

... but maybe it was just me.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)


I've been more apprehensive swimming under a wreck than in one,
than in a cave or quarry or through a building.
 
I've never swam through a building ... now that would be worth experiencing ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
You can't go down the hall and into the bedroom like some folks after a night out.

Surely, You must have a dam over there containing the remnants of a town.

I almost fell asleep once in a sprung bunk inside the prepped ex warship
that I had trouble swimming under.

Sorry Bob, I didn't mean to call you surely.
 

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