New Canon S90 & Canon Housing

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

N....

What Macro lens would you recommend for the S90/Ike combo.......

Also any recommendations for a 67mm caddy to hold the W20 and Marco lenses....

My CC has cooled off and we travel to Bermuda in July.......:eyebrow:

M

I am so un-knowledgeable on macro stuff I should not recommend anything.

I am pretty sure the 10Bar adapter with the Inon UCL165AD would work, as well the Inon UCL165M67 which would screw straight into the port.

Maybe this caddy here:

Inon 67mm Single Lens Holder [ino.171] - $51.95 : Reef Photo & Video!, The Underwater Photo Pros

Lens:

Inon UCL-165M67 Close-up Lens [ino.456212143162] - $169.00 : Reef Photo & Video!, The Underwater Photo Pros


I am shooting, rarely, a Inon UCL165AD. Since I also shoot the Inon UFL165AD I can use this caddy and switch from ultra wide to macro with a single twist of the bayonet mount, no threading required:

Inon "AD" Bayonet Mount Lens Holder [ino.185] - $47.95 : Reef Photo & Video!, The Underwater Photo Pros

You could get both a 67mm caddy and a AD caddy, face them back to back to carry your lenses, each with it's own home, expensive but possibly your best bet with your rig.

After loosing my Inon UFL165AD to the sea for a day and half, I am pretty sure whatever I do from now on it will be tethered to something. Especially during rough conditions like we were diving in a Jupiter.

N
 
I measured this and reported it a few weeks ago in the epic FIX thread, I don't recall off hand. Best I can tell it is a single lens port.

The S90 when zoomed nearly touches the port lens, it is a nano-hair off. The flush peripheral edge to the port also allows for the accessory lens to sit extremely close to the port lens. The FIX housing is well designed to take advantage of the adapter kits provided by FIX etc.

N

I located your old post, thanks again.

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/5111584-post203.html
 
jd950,

To spend 2x the amount of the camera on a housing was counter intuitive for me. I could just by another S90 and OEM housing for the price difference involved if I should encounter a flood with the OEM housing.

You seem to have had a lot of camera/housings. Is this a result of new models coming out that supercede the technology of previous models? If so, what parts of your system have remained compatible and usable through the course of the upgrades? You also seem familiar with the INON System which I have been looking at closely as a basis for my re-entry into the hobby.

It is common for aftermarket housings to cost approximately 2x the camera price. A lot of the price is simply due to the fact that for all the research, design and manufacturing, there is a fairly small number of any housing sold. I would guess most of these sell in the single digit thousands, maybe even in the hundreds.

The pricing for DSLR housings isn't so controversial because there is little choice. For many of those cameras Ike is the economy choice, or you pay what it costs for the premium housings. For compact cameras, there is more competition, at least when the camera Mfg. offers a housing. That makes the premium housings seem outrageously expensive, but for a few years now, there has been little opportunity to use add on lenses on the premium canon compacts and that created a void that Fix and 10bar and Ike filled. I think for some potential S90 buyers, the value of the fix and Ike housing suffered a bit when Inon came out with the AD mount for the OEM housing.

The Fix housing is not unreasonably priced for an aluminum Japanese housing. I am not an Ike user, largely because of my Inon strobes, so I just don't pay attention to their products. Because the OEM housing with the Inon base now offers similar lens options to the Fix, the decision between those two housings is harder than it was a couple months ago, at least for me. I guess it is similar to comparing a Lexus to a Hyundai. They both do the job but for some, the perceived quality/desirability/performance/features or comfort makes the Lexus worth the price, while for others, not so much.

I think if you get the Fix housing it would probably be with the idea that you would use that housing and camera for some time. But, the housing will have resale value, so it isn't like you throw it away if you want to upgrade, especially if the S90 successor can use the same housing.

The changes in cameras from year to year often don't make much difference to underwater use. On the other hand, the S90 might change in significant ways. There have been complaints about its free-spinning rear control wheel and the lack of HD video. Perhaps one or both of these things might change. On the other hand, they could also increase the zoom range and render the camera much less desirable for underwater use

I have had so many housings because I had an earlier Canon and OEM housing and after a couple years wanted to upgrade to a larger LCD and some other features. My son then grew fond of that camera and housing and stole it from me, so I got another, similar model. I later upgraded to the ability to shoot in RAW. I then upgraded to get a camera with a wider lens. My strobes, focus light, tray, handles, arms and so on have carried on from camera to camera, but that is all, because I have no add-on lenses. My knowledge of Inon lenses comes only from reading and talking to others. I have no first hand experience with them

If you are just starting out, I would suggest giving a lot of thought to the OEM housing for the reasons you mentioned. Strobes and a wide lens will have more impact on your photography options than will the housing (so long as you can shoot the lenses and strobes you want to).

(I overlooked your prior comments about using a housed Nikon. Since you are familiar with using an SLR underwater, I wonder if you would not be happier getting a DSLR and housing it? Perhaps even a used one? Another option might be one of the new micro 4/3 cameras)

I would forgo the fancier housing before I would forgo a strobe, but if money is not an "issue" and you can afford the Fix housing and the strobe(s) and the lenses you want, then why not get the nicer housing. I don't think there is a downside other than money. If you are careful with O rings, I think it is likely that you will "need" to upgrade to the latest and greatest before you will need to replace a camera due to a flooded housing, no matter which housing you get.

I know I frequently suffer from that "need to upgrade" foolishness.
 
I think for some potential S90 buyers, the value of the fix and Ike housing suffered a bit when Inon came out with the AD mount for the OEM housing.

No, not really, the mount offered is not an AD mount, the Inon offering for the Canon DC-35 housing is a 28AD mount, not at all the same actually. It is designed to fucntion with the UWL100-28AD with or without the dome installed. I do not have this lens but I do have two AD lenses and a UWL100-67mm, none of which can fuction with the Inon 28AD mount on the Canon DC-35 S90 housing but which do fucnction very well with the FIX90.

Housings cost what they cost due to the limited number made. Try buying a SLR housing for less than two or three or four times the cost of the camera, plus domes, gears and a lens etc. It gets very expensive really fast.

N
 
Perhaps I should have said for those who don't already own 67mm or the UWL 105 add-on lenses?

I think for someone who does not already own incompatible Inon lenses, the 28AD mount with UCL 165, UWL 100 and even a dome does open up a lot of possibilities that previously required an aftermarket housing. It also puts much of the money spent into the lenses instead of the housing, and the lenses can be used on future cameras and probably have a wider resale market than adedicated S90 housing will in a couple years.

(I am not entitrely sure how I became the spokesperson for the OEM housing...I am not sure at all what my next upgrade is going to be and it may include the Fix housing)
 
I agree completely. Prices in the UK mean that for the price of the Fix housing I can get the OEM housing, Inon adapter, wide angle lens and dome lens. I don't have any lenses at the moment and I'd rather invest that money in lenses, which hopefully will last a long time. Here the OEM housing + INON adapter costs less than the Ikelite housing (also I had Amazon vouchers and the Ikelite housing wasn't available on Amazon).

Of course this all depends on how much use you're going to get out of the setup (in my case opportunities will be limited) and what the prices are where you are.

Neil
 
I hope I am not violating any rules, but for those interested in an S90, I noticed Chrishet has an entire S90 kit with lenses, strobes, Ike housing and a bunch of acc. for sale in the classified. I don't know the guy and have no stake in the sale, but FWIW......
 
I did not mean to make it sound like I meant the aluminum housings are overpriced. I understand the commercial circumstances that make the pricing are what they are. Having said that, I would not be surprised that considering volumes involved due to marketing, retail network etc. that canon probably makes more money and bigger return on their investment on the economically priced DC35 vs. say Fisheye and the higher priced FIX which of course will sell in much lower quantities.

In the end, I am of course more concerned about my own personal economics of getting a camera , housing and accessories without going over the amount budgeted.

jd950, I don't see you as a spokesman for OEM. Just someone who seems to have had a lot of experience with them. That in itself makes your inputs that much more valuable.

Nemrod, same goes for the FIX. Your inputs on the FIX relative to your experiences with other housings are so relevant to the discussion.

I for one have learned so much from everyones contributions to this thread.

Am I closer to making a decision? Not really, my heart is still on the FIX but my logical side tells me the OEM is the way to go because of the INON products that are available for it.

I have more homework to do on the ike since I am not familiar with the accessories and lenses that will work well with it. My old ikelite strobes were super reliable and rugged.
 
jd950, Nemrod,

I have read some complaints on the S90 and was wondering if you think these complaints are major issues or just minor ones? I have come across as many complaints on the G11. Though it may be because I have been looking up the S90 a lot more.

I like the faster lens and size of the S90.
 
I'm still wanting to see a review of the image quality and vignetting of the Canon with Inon mount, and the 28AD WAL. I don't recall seeing anyone with that setup, with the Inon-intended lens. With the add-on dome would be also be of interest, but I personally wouldn't lug around such a large and heavy setup.
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/swift/

Back
Top Bottom